Confidence & pride is more important than Suh

[GhostRider]

There isn't a player or coach in the National Football league that would willingly lay down and lose a game just to get a higher draft pick. That's all you really need to know.

I don't collect a game check, and I sure as heck don't coach guys who do.

So I'm free to take a larger view of things and see that 2010 is a much better year with the #1 pick and Suh than the #2 pick and McCoy or Berry.

It's a free country, anyone has the right to any idiotic opinion they want...

At the risk of completely wasting my time trying to reason with you, if none of the players and none of the coaches believe in playing to lose in order to get a high draft pick, how can you justify the fact that you're mad that they won??? 

[Caveat Emperor]

It's a free country, anyone has the right to any idiotic opinion they want...

At the risk of completely wasting my time trying to reason with you, if none of the players and none of the coaches believe in playing to lose in order to get a high draft pick, how can you justify the fact that you're mad that they won???

I'm not mad. Mad would imply that I have strong feelings -- at 1-12, I'd pretty much expended any feelings I may have had about this team. I'm trying to see what's best for the long-term development of the team. Right now, the biggest problem with the team is that the players lack the talent to compete at a high level in the NFL.

There are some players who can be part of a new core -- guys like Freeman, Stroughter, Joseph, T-Jax, Talib, etc. -- but there just aren't enough talented people on the team to compete. All the "good feelings" and "momentum" in the world aren't going to help an undertalented line generate pressure or stop the run.

The team's #1 priority is getting better players. Whatever makes that happen, I'm good with.

[GhostRider]

It's a free country, anyone has the right to any idiotic opinion they want...

At the risk of completely wasting my time trying to reason with you, if none of the players and none of the coaches believe in playing to lose in order to get a high draft pick, how can you justify the fact that you're mad that they won???

I'm not mad. Mad would imply that I have strong feelings -- at 1-12, I'd pretty much expended any feelings I may have had about this team. I'm trying to see what's best for the long-term development of the team. Right now, the biggest problem with the team is that the players lack the talent to compete at a high level in the NFL.

There are some players who can be part of a new core -- guys like Freeman, Stroughter, Joseph, T-Jax, Talib, etc. -- but there just aren't enough talented people on the team to compete. All the "good feelings" and "momentum" in the world aren't going to help an undertalented line generate pressure or stop the run.

The team's #1 priority is getting better players. Whatever makes that happen, I'm good with.

What is better for a rookie QB...getting his head beat in week in and week out, or actually being able to pull out a couple?  The future isn't only about the upcoming draft, it's about developing the corps of young'ns (including coaching staff) we have now.  Wins help with that.

[Caveat Emperor]

What is better for a rookie QB...getting his head beat in week in and week out, or actually being able to pull out a couple? The future isn't only about the upcoming draft, it's about developing the corps of young'ns (including coaching staff) we have now. Wins help with that.

Peyton survived a 3-13 season. Freeman sounds mature enough to handle to handle 1-8.

[David4ROTY]

It's a free country, anyone has the right to any idiotic opinion they want...

At the risk of completely wasting my time trying to reason with you, if none of the players and none of the coaches believe in playing to lose in order to get a high draft pick, how can you justify the fact that you're mad that they won???

I'm not mad. Mad would imply that I have strong feelings -- at 1-12, I'd pretty much expended any feelings I may have had about this team. I'm trying to see what's best for the long-term development of the team. Right now, the biggest problem with the team is that the players lack the talent to compete at a high level in the NFL.

There are some players who can be part of a new core -- guys like Freeman, Stroughter, Joseph, T-Jax, Talib, etc. -- but there just aren't enough talented people on the team to compete. All the "good feelings" and "momentum" in the world aren't going to help an undertalented line generate pressure or stop the run.

The team's #1 priority is getting better players. Whatever makes that happen, I'm good with.

What is better for a rookie QB...getting his head beat in week in and week out, or actually being able to pull out a couple? The future isn't only about the upcoming draft, it's about developing the corps of young'ns (including coaching staff) we have now. Wins help with that.

+1

Mojo, best post of the thread.  People on here are getting delusional and not seeing the big picture.  One player will not change this team.  We are young and building up.  We still have a great draft slot and lots of draft picks to rebuild this team.  A win is defenietly more important at this time rather than "playing" for a draft pick.  Its really a tribute that our guys are playing their hearts out for Raheem after being 1-12.  Most teams players would have played with no heart.  These wins might seem meaningless record wise, but the confidence it will instill in a young team will go alot farther in the long run.  Rah's def seems to play alot better with him at the helm and if Olsen can show in the next two games that he can call another great game and finally "get it", then we should be fine.

And I want to toss this out here since everyone is complaining about our record and everything this year.  Before all the mistakes, before the defrocking of our coordinators, everyone thought that our tough schedule this year we would manage a record of around 4-12.  Well guess what, even with all the problems this year, we might end up with that record.  Next years schedule isn't close to as tough.  Just be happy for the team and look forward to competive years from here on out.  I think our team as a whole, from coordinators to players, are finally starting to "get it"

[LoganBucs37]

80% of these guys don't care at this point.  Confidence? Pride?  They just want their money.  If they had any pride they would have more than 2 wins. 

[cheveliar]

80% of these guys don't care at this point. Confidence? Pride? They just want their money. If they had any pride they would have more than 2 wins.

That's a sad and untrue comment.  Dude if you've ever been around NFL'ers of anytype for any amount of time you would know that.  I don't begrudge anyone their comments or opinions, but I'll say this be man enough to serch within yourself and ask, would you say that to a players face?  I've said some horrible things here myself.  In particularly about Sean Mahan. 

Just saying that's a very damning comment that I feel personally is not true...I think these guys have tried and worked hard this year. They've also under achieved in many areas as well. 80% is a big number...while you may have a few it's not 80%

[olafberserker]

It's a free country, anyone has the right to any idiotic opinion they want...

At the risk of completely wasting my time trying to reason with you, if none of the players and none of the coaches believe in playing to lose in order to get a high draft pick, how can you justify the fact that you're mad that they won???

I'm not mad. Mad would imply that I have strong feelings -- at 1-12, I'd pretty much expended any feelings I may have had about this team. I'm trying to see what's best for the long-term development of the team. Right now, the biggest problem with the team is that the players lack the talent to compete at a high level in the NFL.

There are some players who can be part of a new core -- guys like Freeman, Stroughter, Joseph, T-Jax, Talib, etc. -- but there just aren't enough talented people on the team to compete. All the "good feelings" and "momentum" in the world aren't going to help an undertalented line generate pressure or stop the run.

The team's #1 priority is getting better players. Whatever makes that happen, I'm good with.

What is better for a rookie QB...getting his head beat in week in and week out, or actually being able to pull out a couple? The future isn't only about the upcoming draft, it's about developing the corps of young'ns (including coaching staff) we have now. Wins help with that.

+1

Mojo, best post of the thread.  People on here are getting delusional and not seeing the big picture.  One player will not change this team.  We are young and building up.  We still have a great draft slot and lots of draft picks to rebuild this team.  A win is defenietly more important at this time rather than "playing" for a draft pick.  Its really a tribute that our guys are playing their hearts out for Raheem after being 1-12.  Most teams players would have played with no heart.  These wins might seem meaningless record wise, but the confidence it will instill in a young team will go alot farther in the long run.  Rah's def seems to play alot better with him at the helm and if Olsen can show in the next two games that he can call another great game and finally "get it", then we should be fine.

And I want to toss this out here since everyone is complaining about our record and everything this year.  Before all the mistakes, before the defrocking of our coordinators, everyone thought that our tough schedule this year we would manage a record of around 4-12.  Well guess what, even with all the problems this year, we might end up with that record.  Next years schedule isn't close to as tough.  Just be happy for the team and look forward to competive years from here on out.  I think our team as a whole, from coordinators to players, are finally starting to "get it"

I think this post is delusional in many ways

[dalbuc]

What is better for a rookie QB...getting his head beat in week in and week out, or actually being able to pull out a couple?  The future isn't only about the upcoming draft, it's about developing the corps of young'ns (including coaching staff) we have now.  Wins help with that.

You think 5 years from now any of this will matter? Didn't matter to 1-15 Aikman or 3-13 Manning. Heck, if confidence and pride matter why'd Palmer and Rivers who didn't play turn out so well? They gain the confidence through the pine they were sitting on?

There is nothing this year that matters other than getting a few guys on tape at this point. The season is lost and there's no momentum to be had.

[GhostRider]

80% of these guys don't care at this point. Confidence? Pride? They just want their money. If they had any pride they would have more than 2 wins.

Spoken like a guy who's never played....