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#15 : January 15, 2010, 09:37:29 AM

2012....the sun aligns with the earth thru the center of the milky way.......happens every 26,000 years.....I missed the last alignment.

2012 is the end of times because the Mayans ran out of space on the rock they were chiseling....

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#16 : January 15, 2010, 10:05:26 AM

The 2012 Mayan prediction I heard was that the Earth, Sun, and the "dark spot" in the Milky Way (a dark area in the Galactic disk caused by lots of dust when the Milky Way is observed from the ground) all align. The ancient Mayans, keen but superstitious astronomers, would have wondered why there was a dark spot in the brightest patch of the summer night sky and being superstitious would have attributed "bad things" to this dark area.

The Mayan Calendar is a cyclical. 2012 is the end of one cycle of calendars but as the Mayans ahve been telling people there another cycle that begins after that. this is like claiming there is anything odd about Dec 31 2009 because your calendar ends of that day.

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#17 : January 15, 2010, 11:07:52 AM

The 2012 Mayan prediction I heard was that the Earth, Sun, and the "dark spot" in the Milky Way (a dark area in the Galactic disk caused by lots of dust when the Milky Way is observed from the ground) all align. The ancient Mayans, keen but superstitious astronomers, would have wondered why there was a dark spot in the brightest patch of the summer night sky and being superstitious would have attributed "bad things" to this dark area.

The Mayan Calendar is a cyclical. 2012 is the end of one cycle of calendars but as the Mayans ahve been telling people there another cycle that begins after that. this is like claiming there is anything odd about Dec 31 2009 because your calendar ends of that day.


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2012 is the end of times because the Mayans ran out of space on the rock they were chiseling....

this make way too much sense for a thread like this.


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#18 : January 15, 2010, 11:14:14 AM

Yep, the end of a cycle. And like I said, there is evidence on this planet of big things happening on this planet at the end of these cycles. 2012 may not be the end of one of these. Even if it is, these things don't happen on one specific day or week or even a specific year. No matter how many times I say this, you get folks here saying, "Oh, so you're saying it's the end of the world on 12/21/12?

So, as I said, four times along the 26,000 year cycle, stuff happens. Look for the bigger events at 6500, 13,000, 19,500 and 26,000 years ago.

With only a quick search, I found is an event that happened around 13,000 years ago...

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/02/science/sci-extinction2

Diamonds show comet struck North America, scientists say

The impact caused an ice age that killed some mammal species and many humans 12,900 years ago, researchers report. They say the discovery of tiny heat-formed diamonds is proof of the catastrophe.


January 02, 2009|Thomas H. Maugh II

A discovery of microscopic diamonds a few feet beneath the surface of North America reveals that a comet caused a cataclysm of fire, flood and devastation nearly 13,000 years ago that extinguished mammoths and mastodons and dealt a blow to early civilization, scientists said Friday.

The nanodiamonds, so small that they are barely visible in an electron microscope, are thought to be remnants of that comet, which would have hit about 65 million years after the much larger collision that wiped out the dinosaurs.

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Short summary from Jay Weidner on precession and this cycle. I think his Cro-Magnon date is wrong.

http://www.jayweidner.com/time.html

At the heart of the secrets traditions of the Egyptian and Greek mystery schools they knew that a process, which they called the precession of the equinoxes measured the Great Cycle or the Great Year. What they understood was that the stars in the night sky are not fixed. Through their long observation and meditation upon the heavens they came to realize that the stars and the constellations were slowly changing their place in the sky above us. Creating the zodiac to assist them in these huge measurements of time they used the twelve signs to act as a giant time clock. Through this they began to understand the Great Cycle. They realized that it took 2,160 years to move through each sign of the zodiac and that it took 25,920 years for the equinoxes to move through all 12 signs. The creation of the Great Year of nearly 26,000 years gave them a clock that allowed them to measure time.

They then came to understand that each of the signs, or places on the clock appeared to bring forth changes in the quality of life here on earth. So they came to realize that every 2,160 years the quality of time changed. They also began to understand that the four quadrants of this great chronological clock appeared to bring forth even sharper changes in the quality of time. The four signs associated with these four quadrants are the signs of Aquarius, Taurus, Leo and Scorpio. There does seem to be some historical linkage between this idea that passing through the edges of these four signs brings great changes here on earth. About 6,500 years ago we passed through the sign of Taurus.

Coincidentally the human race began domesticating cattle, building walled cities, developing agriculture, fighting wars and beginning the city-states that would evolve into governments and monarchies. Thirteen thousand years ago, as we passed through the Age of Leo great changes occurred including a dramatic climate shift as the ice ages began to end. The extinction of many animals including the Woolly Mammoth, the Saber Tooth Tiger, the Giant Tree Sloth and many other species happened at about this time. Interestingly, according to anthropologists, the emergence of Cro-Magnon Man, appears to have occurred about 26,000 years ago, the last time we passed through Aquarius.


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More about the black hole in the galactic center, which is, coincidentally, 26,000 light years from Earth.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2008/blackhole_slumber.html

GREENBELT, Md. - Using NASA, Japanese, and European X-ray satellites, a team of Japanese astronomers has discovered that our galaxy’s central black hole let loose a powerful flare three centuries ago.

The finding helps resolve a long-standing mystery: why is the Milky Way’s black hole so quiescent? The black hole, known as Sagittarius A* (pronounced "A-star"), is a certified monster, containing about 4 million times the mass of our Sun. Yet the energy radiated from its surroundings is billions of times weaker than the radiation emitted from central black holes in other galaxies.

"We have wondered why the Milky Way’s black hole appears to be a slumbering giant," says team leader Tatsuya Inui of Kyoto University in Japan. "But now we realize that the black hole was far more active in the past. Perhaps it’s just resting after a major outburst."

"By observing how this cloud lit up and faded over 10 years, we could trace back the black hole’s activity 300 years ago," says team member Katsuji Koyama of Kyoto University. "The black hole was a million times brighter three centuries ago. It must have unleashed an incredibly powerful flare."

This new study builds upon research by several groups who pioneered the light-echo technique. Last year, a team led by Michael Muno, who now works at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, Calif., used Chandra observations of X-ray light echoes to show that Sagittarius A* generated a powerful burst of X-rays about 50 years ago -- about a dozen years before astronomers had satellites that could detect X-rays from outer space. "The outburst three centuries ago was 10 times brighter than the one we detected," says Muno.

The galactic center is about 26,000 light-years from Earth, meaning we see events as they occurred 26,000 years ago. Astronomers still lack a detailed understanding of why Sagittarius A* varies so much in its activity. One possibility, says Koyama, is that a supernova a few centuries ago plowed up gas and swept it into the black hole, leading to a temporary feeding frenzy that awoke the black hole from its slumber and produced the giant flare.

Robert Naeye
Goddard Space Flight Center

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Interesting find in the center of the galaxy...

I have posted this before but it's worth revisiting again...

BTW, many people connect the center of the Milky Way and that huge black hole with the creation (and destruction) of life. And what did they find in the center? No, not bubble gum from a Charms blow-pop.



http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060315_dna_nebula.html

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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/03/0317_060317_dna_nebula.html

Magnetic forces at the center of the galaxy have twisted a nebula into the shape of DNA, a new study reveals.

The 80-light-year-long formation lies near the enormous black hole at the center of our own Milky Way galaxy, say the scientists who report the unusual find in this week's issue of the journal Nature.

The double helix shape is commonly seen inside living organisms, but this is the first time it has been observed in the cosmos.

"Nobody has ever seen anything like that before in the cosmic realm," said the study's lead author Mark Morris of UCLA. "Most nebulae are either spiral galaxies full of stars or formless amorphous conglomerations of dust and gas-space weather. What we see indicates a high degree of order."



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#19 : January 15, 2010, 11:19:23 AM


2012 is the end of times because the Mayans ran out of space on the rock they were chiseling....

this make way too much sense for a thread like this.

Lots of civilizations wrote about the cycles of time and how they affect life on this planet. Mayans were just one. The Hindu Yugic cycle and Hopi prophecies are two more and there are a lot more.

Just like there are a ton of myths that speak of a giant flood on this planet, (which I think DID happen at some point in the past) there are a ton of myths that talk about these cycles of time and how we should pay attention to them.

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#20 : January 15, 2010, 11:36:04 AM

Joe, can you post a pic of your eyes.......just your eyes bro'.....I'd like to take a look....

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#21 : January 15, 2010, 11:58:28 AM

Joe, can you post a pic of your eyes.......just your eyes bro'.....I'd like to take a look....

LOL, bro. Do you know anything about what we're talking about? Precession, for instance? Why is examining cycles and possible repeating upheavals on this planet so hard for so many folks to consider? Would you disagree with me that if you live in the NE, you will, for the most part, experience four seasons of weather with similar temperatures each year, year after year? That's a cycle. How about the 11 year sunspot cycle? I can go on and on with cycles. They exist. Is the one I'm talking about reality? I don't know. But I find it fascinating that our ancestors may have been trying to warn us about this and some of us are so arrogant that we won't even consider it. What else is new?


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#22 : January 15, 2010, 12:16:42 PM

Through this they began to understand the Great Cycle. They realized that it took 2,160 years to move through each sign of the zodiac and that it took 25,920 years for the equinoxes to move through all 12 signs. The creation of the Great Year of nearly 26,000 years gave them a clock that allowed them to measure time.




A sidereal precession cycle actually takes 25,771.5 years, not 25,920 so the world actually ended 145 years ago ;)


The problem with all these "theories" is none of them have a mechanism to explain the coincidence. Just because the Earth's rotation wobbles every 25,771.5 years and stuff happens every 1/4th of that time doesn't mean there is causality. If a rooster crows 30 minutes before sunrise every day, the rooster isn't causing the sun to rise.

Right now they are just observations that may or may not have any meaning. In other words, more data is needed.


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#23 : January 15, 2010, 12:20:18 PM

How odd is that despite the cycles and warnings, our world still turns?

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#24 : January 15, 2010, 12:20:50 PM


About 6,500 years ago we passed through the sign of Taurus.
Coincidentally the human race began domesticating cattle, building walled cities, developing agriculture, fighting wars and beginning the city-states that would evolve into governments and monarchies.

Thirteen thousand years ago, as we passed through the Age of Leo great changes occurred including a dramatic climate shift as the ice ages began to end. The extinction of many animals including the Woolly Mammoth, the Saber Tooth Tiger, the Giant Tree Sloth and many other species happened at about this time. Interestingly, according to anthropologists,

the emergence of Cro-Magnon Man, appears to have occurred about 26,000 years ago, the last time we passed through Aquarius.[/b]


The agricultural revolution started in 10,000BC and was in full force 7000BC so that is more of a 9k - 12k ago than 6500.

Mammoths and most super-fauna of the ice age died out ~ 10k not 13k with isolated populations surviving until around 1500BC.

Cro Magnon are about 30,000 years old (and presumed to be older since those are the oldest European fossils) and not 26,000.


All posts are opinions in case you are too stupid to figure that out on your own without me saying it over and over.

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#25 : January 15, 2010, 01:01:12 PM

Through this they began to understand the Great Cycle. They realized that it took 2,160 years to move through each sign of the zodiac and that it took 25,920 years for the equinoxes to move through all 12 signs. The creation of the Great Year of nearly 26,000 years gave them a clock that allowed them to measure time.


A sidereal precession cycle actually takes 25,771.5 years, not 25,920 so the world actually ended 145 years ago ;)

26,000 is an approximate number. Other researchers use a different number, such as the one you gave.

The problem with all these "theories" is none of them have a mechanism to explain the coincidence. Just because the Earth's rotation wobbles every 25,771.5 years and stuff happens every 1/4th of that time doesn't mean there is causality. If a rooster crows 30 minutes before sunrise every day, the rooster isn't causing the sun to rise.

Some DO offer a theory on the mechanism but I haven't posted too much about those. Here's one...

http://www.philipcoppens.com/canopus_art5.html

In Lost Star of Myth and Time (2006), Walter Cruttenden argues that our mythological records indicate that our solar system is part of a binary star system. This would mean that our sun has a "companion" star somewhere out there.

Cruttenden's quest in origin relies on The Holy Science, by Swami Sri Yukteswar, written in 1894. Yukteswar outlines his belief in a cyclical history of the world based on the precession of the equinoxes. This period of time is found in many cultures and is at the origin of many myths. The first such observations were highlighted in Hamlet's Mill, by Giorgio De Santillana and Hertha Von Dechend. In more recent years, Florence and Kenneth Wood have shown, in Homer's Secret Iliad (1999), that the cycle of precession also is at the origin of the Iliad and that the main fights are the waxing and waning of the constellations.

In short, our ancient forefathers were extremely intrigued by the precession of the equinoxes, which science states is due to the Earth's wobble, which has a periodicity of approx. 25,920 years. For Cruttenden, precession is more: "I read that the Great cycle of ages, and the phenomenon of precession itself, was supposed to be the result of our Sun revolving around a 'dual star'. In modern terms this would mean that our Sun is part of a binary system, gravitationally linked to another star."

...I personally felt that it was somewhat bizarre that ancient cultures, as they apparently knew of the precessional cycle, placed so much weight on what is, science tells us, nothing more than a wobble of the Earth. Though it is great to know, it is not of any major importance to become the cornerstone of so many myths. The Earth wobbles, so what? Though it means that constellations would cyclically appear and disappear, the myths knew they would return.

In Cruttenden's framework, the "precession cycle" is however not the duration of the wobble of the Earth, but the time it takes for our sun to pass through an area of space, on its course around the core of this binary star system. Cruttenden outlines many "errors" in current thinking about the precession of the equinoxes, which I will not repeat here. I will only point out that he argues that there are many anomalies in the duration of this cycle, whereby every few years, new components are added to the equation, so that the equation continues to correspond to the visible - real - cycle of precession. But, in short, Cruttenden argues that science is now engaged in self-endorsing a theory that has obviously been falsified many times over.

Cruttenden argues that the solar system is revolving in a vast 24,000-year cycle around a companion star. "As it does, the Earth is carried through a magnetic or electromagnetic (EM) field of another star. [...] At times in this cycle human development and consciousness are positively affected, achieving an almost enlightened state; at other times they are in decline, growing dense and barbaric - but inevitably awakening again with the next arc of celestial motion." This is therefore linked with the various myths, which speak of a past "Golden Age", and the prediction that such an age will recur in the future.

If we are part of a binary system, the orbit of the solar system around the core would be - most likely - an oval, whereby the solar system - and our Earth - would periodically find itself closer or farther from this core. Cruttenden argues that the distance from this core and the path of the solar system will move us through different electromagnetic fields, resulting in different "ages", cycles - or as some cultures call it, "suns". In short, Cruttenden's theory provides a logical framework which neatly incorporates the beliefs of many ancient civilisations, which spoke of recurring cycles of times, rather than the linear process of cultural development which is in scientific vogue today - and which Cruttenden demolishes in his book.

Observation: we should note that even if Cruttenden in the end may prove to be wrong, that in itself does not invalidate the possibility that some ancient cultures believed we were part of such a binary system. For a culture that discovers that the moon revolves around the earth, the earth around the sun, the question of whether the sun revolves around something else should be deemed to be completely logical. And as we begin to understand that ancient cultures did possess a heliocentric view and that this knowledge was only lost in certain parts of the world between ca. 300-1500 AD, the binary star hypothesis has great validity.

Right now they are just observations that may or may not have any meaning. In other words, more data is needed.

Hell, right now, it's just me having fun reading about this stuff and posting it on a message board. I really don't know if this cycle and subsequent changes (cataclysms and rise and fall of civilizations) are legit. And I thought I made that obvious when I wrote:

I can go on and on with cycles. They exist. Is the one I'm talking about reality? I don't know.

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#26 : January 15, 2010, 03:22:23 PM

I could believe that an unknown planet on a highly elliptical orbit might exist, but a star? That would be much much easier to discover and would be known.

The orbit of most of the planets is very close to circular, too close for a binary star to exist. Even an invisible unknown planet would perturb the orbits of the planets to a much more elliptical orbit than they currently have unless it was really small.


Now, on a different theory, how does these cycles correspond with the eruption of Yellowstone or other Super Volcanoes?


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#27 : January 16, 2010, 12:59:37 PM

I could believe that an unknown planet on a highly elliptical orbit might exist, but a star? That would be much much easier to discover and would be known.

The orbit of most of the planets is very close to circular, too close for a binary star to exist. Even an invisible unknown planet would perturb the orbits of the planets to a much more elliptical orbit than they currently have unless it was really small.


Granted, the guys who offer the theory of the binary star system are in the minority but not as wacky as you might think.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/04/060424180559.htm

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The Binary Research Institute (BRI) has found that orbital characteristics of the recently discovered planetoid, "Sedna", demonstrate the possibility that our sun might be part of a binary star system. A binary star system consists of two stars gravitationally bound orbiting a common center of mass. Once thought to be highly unusual, such systems are now considered to be common in the Milky Way galaxy.

Walter Cruttenden at BRI, Professor Richard Muller at UC Berkeley, Dr. Daniel Whitmire of the University of Louisiana, amongst several others, have long speculated on the possibility that our sun might have an as yet undiscovered companion. Most of the evidence has been statistical rather than physical. The recent discovery of Sedna, a small planet like object first detected by Cal Tech astronomer Dr. Michael Brown, provides what could be indirect physical evidence of a solar companion. Matching the recent findings by Dr. Brown, showing that Sedna moves in a highly unusual elliptical orbit, Cruttenden has determined that Sedna moves in resonance with previously published orbital data for a hypothetical companion star.


Now, on a different theory, how does these cycles correspond with the eruption of Yellowstone or other Super Volcanoes?

I'm sure some are claiming that they're part of the cycle. Of course, there's no way to tell. The one way to tell about a massive cataclysm is if we're all dead tomorrow after a crustal displacement tonight.  ;)



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#28 : January 16, 2010, 01:22:01 PM

I could believe that an unknown planet on a highly elliptical orbit might exist, but a star? That would be much much easier to discover and would be known.

The orbit of most of the planets is very close to circular, too close for a binary star to exist. Even an invisible unknown planet would perturb the orbits of the planets to a much more elliptical orbit than they currently have unless it was really small.


Granted, the guys who offer the theory of the binary star system are in the minority but not as wacky as you might think.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/04/060424180559.htm

Excerpt:

The Binary Research Institute (BRI) has found that orbital characteristics of the recently discovered planetoid, "Sedna", demonstrate the possibility that our sun might be part of a binary star system. A binary star system consists of two stars gravitationally bound orbiting a common center of mass. Once thought to be highly unusual, such systems are now considered to be common in the Milky Way galaxy.

Walter Cruttenden at BRI, Professor Richard Muller at UC Berkeley, Dr. Daniel Whitmire of the University of Louisiana, amongst several others, have long speculated on the possibility that our sun might have an as yet undiscovered companion. Most of the evidence has been statistical rather than physical. The recent discovery of Sedna, a small planet like object first detected by Cal Tech astronomer Dr. Michael Brown, provides what could be indirect physical evidence of a solar companion. Matching the recent findings by Dr. Brown, showing that Sedna moves in a highly unusual elliptical orbit, Cruttenden has determined that Sedna moves in resonance with previously published orbital data for a hypothetical companion star.


"Star" implies a large fusion engine, which gives off light and therefore would be visible. Any "star" close enough to be considered a binary partner (within 2 LY) would have been seen. Even a neutron star would have been detected when Chandra did a x-ray map of the entire universe since neutron stars give off tons of x-rays and even a tiny one that close would have stuck out like a sore thumb. And a recent celestial survey in infra-red (can't remember the name of the project) didn't detect any brown dwarfs (almost stars just not quite big enough to jump start fusion) which do give off enough heat to be detectable within 3-4 LY.



I'm sure some are claiming that they're part of the cycle. Of course, there's no way to tell. The one way to tell about a massive cataclysm is if we're all dead tomorrow after a crustal displacement tonight.  ;)

That's why you always should wear clean underwear. You never know when crustal displacement will strike!


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