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#75 : February 03, 2010, 07:19:52 PM

So you are saying they were not only built by the draft, but by trade and free agents who started and won games for them?   No I see.

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#76 : February 03, 2010, 07:22:58 PM

So you are saying they were not only built by the draft, but by trade and free agents who started and won games for them?   No I see.

The core of their team was built through the draft and complimented with FAs and a trade or two. It's not real difficult to understand if your not trying to be a clown about it.

You posted something which was incorrect in certain facets and inconsequential in others but you continue to belabor the point.

As I said....well done.

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#77 : February 03, 2010, 07:26:19 PM

It's rare a team doesn't rely on free agents to win a superbowl - even as their key players.   The Bucs wouldn't have won it without free agency.   Simeon Rice, Joe Jurevicius, Keenan McCardell, Mike Pittman, Brad Johnson, etc.     

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#78 : February 03, 2010, 08:23:50 PM

The Bucs didn't go 9-7 in 2004 and 2005.  

You're right.  They were 11-5 in 2005 and 4-12 in 2006.


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#79 : February 03, 2010, 08:46:25 PM

It's rare a team doesn't rely on free agents to win a superbowl - even as their key players.   The Bucs wouldn't have won it without free agency.   Simeon Rice, Joe Jurevicius, Keenan McCardell, Mike Pittman, Brad Johnson, etc.     

The core of the Bucs team was built through the draft.

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#80 : February 03, 2010, 08:48:15 PM

The sad thing is Gruden was able to win MORE games with horrible rookie 6th round pick Gradkowski and Rattay than Heemy was with 1st round pick "sensation" Freeman and long time vet Leftwich.
The basic difference was Matt Bryant making an impossible 62 yard field goal in 2006 and Mike Nugent going 2-6 in 2009. The rest of the teams were equally sucky.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#81 : February 03, 2010, 08:49:16 PM

The Bucs didn't go 9-7 in 2004 and 2005. �

You're right.  They were 11-5 in 2005 and 4-12 in 2006.

2004 they went 5-11.   11-5 in 2005 was miracle coaching on Gruden's part.   That was not a talented team.   However, if Chris Simms and Luke McCown had not gone down with injury, they would have likely ended up 8-8 that year.  

Again, how do you think the team would do next year if Leftwich leaves, and Freeman and Johnson go down with injuries and they have to start a rookie QB they draft in the 6th round of this year's draft?   My bet is they will suck even if Freeman is healthy.  But if they have to go with a 6th round pick, we are looking at 0-16 with Raheem.  

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#82 : February 03, 2010, 08:50:21 PM

It's rare a team doesn't rely on free agents to win a superbowl - even as their key players.   The Bucs wouldn't have won it without free agency.   Simeon Rice, Joe Jurevicius, Keenan McCardell, Mike Pittman, Brad Johnson, etc.     

The core of the Bucs team was built through the draft.

They do not win that superbowl without free agents.

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#83 : February 03, 2010, 08:59:09 PM

The Bucs didn't go 9-7 in 2004 and 2005. �

You're right.  They were 11-5 in 2005 and 4-12 in 2006.

2004 they went 5-11.   11-5 in 2005 was miracle coaching on Gruden's part.   That was not a talented team.   However, if Chris Simms and Luke McCown had not gone down with injury, they would have likely ended up 8-8 that year.    

Going from 11-5 to 4-12 is worse than going from 9-7 to 4-12, without a doubt.  Spin it however you like.


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#84 : February 04, 2010, 03:01:22 AM

The Bucs didn't go 9-7 in 2004 and 2005. �

You're right.  They were 11-5 in 2005 and 4-12 in 2006.

2004 they went 5-11. � 11-5 in 2005 was miracle coaching on Gruden's part. � That was not a talented team. � However, if Chris Simms and Luke McCown had not gone down with injury, they would have likely ended up 8-8 that year. �

Again, how do you think the team would do next year if Leftwich leaves, and Freeman and Johnson go down with injuries and they have to start a rookie QB they draft in the 6th round of this year's draft? � My bet is they will suck even if Freeman is healthy. �But if they have to go with a 6th round pick, we are looking at 0-16 with Raheem. �

You're the only one stupid enough to believe this faggot.

You must not have been here last offseason. Dude pretty much called for three wins or less. I'd say he was spot-on.

Btw, I think he's into tiny Asan chicks, not wangs.


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#85 : February 04, 2010, 10:18:53 AM

   If Wilfork is really stupid enough to take idio Sileo's advice, why in the world would the Bucs want to sign him anyway ???

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#86 : February 06, 2010, 12:37:52 AM

If Wilfork is really stupid enough to take idio Sileo's advice, why in the world would the Bucs want to sign him anyway ???

Good question NDY. Why would they?

I don't like Sileo much, but sometimes he's right on. However, he's wrong for saying this, or (if he did) talk to Wilfork. I don't care if it's to spite the Glazers either. Most fans are already starting to do that on their own. At least the ones who either (a) have balls (b) tired of spending cash to lose, or (c) are real fans trying to do something about the future of the team. I don't expect all these passive people to do ANYTHING....at all....ever. Because they're passive of course. Rah could suck again next season, and the SAME people would be saying "oh, but Rah this, and oh, but Rah that"... Give me a break. Sileo might be doing this to somehow push the Glazers buttons, but the funny thing is, they probably weren't interested anyhow. Him and Wilfork might have talked, but I doubt Sileo could say anthing so bad that Wilfork hasn't already seen on paper/video himself.


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#87 : February 06, 2010, 01:36:51 AM

The Bucs didn't go 9-7 in 2004 and 2005. �

You're right. They were 11-5 in 2005 and 4-12 in 2006.

2004 they went 5-11.   11-5 in 2005 was miracle coaching on Gruden's part.   That was not a talented team.   However, if Chris Simms and Luke McCown had not gone down with injury, they would have likely ended up 8-8 that year.   

Again, how do you think the team would do next year if Leftwich leaves, and Freeman and Johnson go down with injuries and they have to start a rookie QB they draft in the 6th round of this year's draft?   My bet is they will suck even if Freeman is healthy.  But if they have to go with a 6th round pick, we are looking at 0-16 with Raheem.   

The Bucs were already 0-3 when Simms went down, he had thrown 1 TD and 7 INTs in those games...yeah, we were headed for 8-8.
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