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#30 : February 13, 2010, 03:12:43 AM

Sarah Palin is moron.

Imagine her as second in charge?

Did you see the video of her writing her talking points on her hand for the Tea Party event?

If I'm a D consultant, I do everything in my power to help Palin get the R nomination. Obama would crush her.


Yeah it's bad that Palin put notes on her hand for her speech... That really shows how stupid she really is... you are right Joe...

Meanwhile it's perfectly OK for Obama to use a teleprompter for every god damn speech he makes.

Have you seen Barry give a speech without a teleprompter? It's not pretty!


You're such a freaking tool when it comes to politics. You can't give an unbiased thought.

Go read what I said again. Nowhere did I say anything positive about Obama. But as soon as anybody attacks a Republican, you immediately have to reply with a shot at Obama or some other D. Pathetic. You'll never learn.

BTW, it's Palin who constantly attacked Obama for his teleprompter use. And he does seem to love that thing a little too much. More than any other president. But these talking points on her hand are something she should know. She is clueless.

One her hand, she wrote, "Energy" "Tax" and "Lift American Spirits." She also had "Budget Cuts" written there but "Budget" had a line put through it. That's pretty bad and something I might have done in junior high school.

Here's a blog article on how bad this is for Palin:

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/mary-kate-cary/2010/02/08/palin-hand-notes-are-alarming-embarrassing.html

OK, Cyber. Here's your chance to be unbiased. Let's say you're a D consultant. Do you do everything in your power to make sure that Palin is the R nominee because you know Obama will destroy her in 2012?

Is she a liability or not?

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#31 : February 13, 2010, 03:37:42 AM

When I took speech class in college... the professor said to us a good strategy is to have keywords written down somewhere where you can quickly glance at them. If you write down a few words, it helps you make a mental bookmarks of where you are in your speech and divides it up. The words may have been reference points and reminders.

Writing on the hand was a little tacky. But its no different than if she had a little post-it note on the podium. It serves the same purpose.

And if I was a democratic consultant, Palin would be the least of my concerns. In this environment with the growing tea party movement, zero accomplishments by Obama and the Democrat congres, and a disenchanted liberal base...the Democrats are looking at a wipeout. At this rate they are going to lose the House and their majority will shrink in the Senate. That is what they are worried about right now. Palin is the least of their problems...which is why the White House really doesnt give a damn about her right now.

If the only strategy they have for 2012 is hope that Palin gets nominated...that means that Obama's first term is a failure. It's like going into the Super Bowl knowing the only way you can win is if the other team screws up. It's not a winning strategy.

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#32 : February 13, 2010, 03:54:35 AM

When I took speech class in college... the professor said to us a good strategy is to have keywords written down somewhere where you can quickly glance at them. If you write down a few words, it helps you make a mental bookmarks of where you are in your speech and divides it up. The words may have been reference points and reminders.

Writing on the hand was a little tacky. But its no different than if she had a little post-it note on the podium. It serves the same purpose.

And if I was a democratic consultant, Palin would be the least of my concerns. In this environment with the growing tea party movement, zero accomplishments by Obama and the Democrat congres, and a disenchanted liberal base...the Democrats are looking at a wipeout. At this rate they are going to lose the House and their majority will shrink in the Senate. That is what they are worried about right now. Palin is the least of their problems...which is why the White House really doesnt give a damn about her right now.

If the only strategy they have for 2012 is hope that Palin gets nominated...that means that Obama's first term is a failure. It's like going into the Super Bowl knowing the only way you can win is if the other team screws up. It's not a winning strategy.

More than a bit tacky. If she can't remember taxes, energy, budget and lifting American spirits, she's pathetic.

And I'm not the WH nor I am the Ds. These are my thoughts.

Simple question: If you were a D consultant or any person rooting for Obama in 2012, wouldn't you be happy if Palin was the R nominee?

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#33 : February 13, 2010, 04:13:20 AM

I dont even think it is certain Palin is going to run. You are jumping to a lot of conclusions. So its a question not even worth considering. Im sure the Democratic advisors are not even thinking 2012 right now. Like I said, they are terrified of 2010.

There are lots of potential GOP contenders. The GOP hasnt made a commitment in any direction yet. Which is smart because they don't know exactly what the environment will be in 2011 and 2012. Just because Palin is a front-runner right now is meaningless. Their strategy right now is to try to absorb the tea party energy and support the public opinion...especially now that it has turned against the Democrats and seems to support conservative principles (in terms of size of government). Palin is very popular with a certain faction of the conservative base and more of a cheerleader at this point. No one is officially campaigning for President right now.

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#34 : February 13, 2010, 04:20:01 AM

I dont even think it is certain Palin is going to run. You are jumping to a lot of conclusions. So its a question not even worth considering. Im sure the Democratic advisors are not even thinking 2012 right now. Like I said, they are terrified of 2010.

There are lots of potential GOP contenders. The GOP hasnt made a commitment in any direction yet. Which is smart because they don't know exactly what the environment will be in 2011 and 2012. Just because Palin is a front-runner right now is meaningless. Their strategy right now is to try to absorb the tea party energy and support the public opinion...especially now that it has turned against the Democrats and seems to support conservative principles (in terms of size of government). Palin is very popular with a certain faction of the conservative base and more of a cheerleader at this point. No one is officially campaigning for President right now.

Be that as it may...

Answer this simple question in my hypothetical:

Palin has just won the nomination as the R nominee. Are you happy if you're an Obama supporter?






Video of Palin checking her hand before hitting her very basic talking points:



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#35 : February 13, 2010, 04:49:27 AM

At this point...no, i wouldnt be happy.

Because look at it like this....Obama was elected out of anger and without much experience or substance. Some fell in love with him because of his hope and change stuff and inspired some people. Sure. But he won not because of his ideas or beliefs but primarily because of the voter anger directed at Bush and the Republican congress. Even though Bush was out anyway, voters wanted to express their frustration.

This is where the Democrats messed up big time. They misinterpreted the election. It was pretty clear the 2008 election was a referendum on Bush. It wasnt a go-ahead to the Democrats to install leftist policies. They wanted the Democrats to fix the government. They wanted them to fix the finances the way Clinton was able to do. Instead they decided to use the majorities to push a leftist agenda that was so far left the moderates in their own party didnt even have the stomach to vote for it. So they lost control and nothing was accomplished in 2009. The economy got worse. More jobs were lost.

We have a country whose people are very angry right now for various reasons. The voters are still pissed. There is also the growing tea party movement which does seem to favor Palin. You dont want to underestimate this movement because you dont know how far its going to go. People underestimated Obama in 2007 and look what he was able to pull off. So we can't say right now that Palin has no chance of winning. We don't know how pissed off voters are going to be at Obama in 2012.

The two big things that Obama must improve in order to get re-elected: Bring the deficit down...and Jobs, Jobs, Jobs.

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#36 : February 13, 2010, 07:35:34 AM

Sarah Palin is moron.

I second that....

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#37 : February 13, 2010, 06:55:35 PM

The way you can tell that all the screaming liberals feel threatened by Sarah Palin is that they continue to bash her.  If they truly considered her irrelevant or less they would ignore her.  Their "They are dumb" tired, old tactic is what needs to be ignored.  Reagan?  Dumb!  Bush I?  Dumb!  GWB?  Dumb!  Palin?  Dumb!  And now Scott Brown?  Dumb!

That's why we get idiots like Martin Sheen, denied admissions to Dayton College, calling GWB a moron.  Obama is a failure and the Democrapic party is the party of the weak, lazy, stupid and unproductive.

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#38 : February 13, 2010, 06:58:01 PM

Also notice the independents that elected Obama have shifted huge to the republicans. Palin/Obama would be a close race. A halfway decent republican will win pretty easily IMO.


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#39 : February 13, 2010, 09:15:22 AM

So they lost control and nothing was accomplished in 2009. The economy got worse. More jobs were lost.

And if a R was in office, the economy would have gotten better and more people would have jobs? Is that what you believe?

We have a country whose people are very angry right now for various reasons. The voters are still pissed. There is also the growing tea party movement which does seem to favor Palin. You dont want to underestimate this movement because you dont know how far its going to go. People underestimated Obama in 2007 and look what he was able to pull off. So we can't say right now that Palin has no chance of winning. We don't know how pissed off voters are going to be at Obama in 2012.

I thought the Tea Party had a chance to be a force in 2012. But they seem to like Palin. And if she becomes their nominee, they'll disappear quicker than Ross Perot's Reform Party did.

I'll go out on a limb and say that Palin has zero shot of winning in 2012. Unless Obama robs a bank.

Hopey changey stuff? Is she talking to kindergarten kids? Don't answer that. Maybe that was intentional on her part.


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#40 : February 13, 2010, 09:19:12 AM

I like how people like Gore have changed Global warming into "Climate Change"

Global warming always included climate change. This wacky weather with heavy snow was predicted as part of the model. It doesn't nothing to disprove global warming.

It seems the GW mongers are bit mixed on that - or at least RFK Jr. was 15 months ago.

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In Virginia, the weather also has changed dramatically. Recently arrived residents in the northern suburbs, accustomed to today's anemic winters, might find it astonishing to learn that there were once ski runs on Ballantrae Hill in McLean, with a rope tow and local ski club. Snow is so scarce today that most Virginia children probably don't own a sled. But neighbors came to our home at Hickory Hill nearly every winter weekend to ride saucers and Flexible Flyers.

In those days, I recall my uncle, President Kennedy, standing erect as he rode a toboggan in his top coat, never faltering until he slid into the boxwood at the bottom of the hill. Once, my father, Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, brought a delegation of visiting Eskimos home from the Justice Department for lunch at our house. They spent the afternoon building a great igloo in the deep snow in our backyard. My brothers and sisters played in the structure for several weeks before it began to melt. On weekend afternoons, we commonly joined hundreds of Georgetown residents for ice skating on Washington's C&O Canal, which these days rarely freezes enough to safely skate.

Meanwhile, Exxon Mobil and its carbon cronies continue to pour money into think tanks whose purpose is to deceive the American public into believing that global warming is a fantasy.


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#41 : February 13, 2010, 09:28:59 AM

At this point...no, i wouldnt be happy.

I actually missed this in my response.

You wouldn't be happy if she was running against Obama and you were an Obama supporter?

Are you freaking serious? Like I said, unless he robs a bank or commits a crime, he's going to crush her. Voters may very well want Obama out when 2012 comes around but they'll have an incredibly difficult time hitting the level for Palin if she somehow winds up on the ballot. At least Obama appeared to be electable when he ran. Palin continues to appear way over her head. And appearances are everything.

Oh well. I guess you're incapable of seeing things from an unbiased viewpoint.

Just like I suspected.
 

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#42 : February 13, 2010, 09:33:04 AM

I like how people like Gore have changed Global warming into "Climate Change"

Global warming always included climate change. This wacky weather with heavy snow was predicted as part of the model. It doesn't nothing to disprove global warming.

It seems the GW mongers are bit mixed on that - or at least RFK Jr. was 15 months ago.

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In Virginia, the weather also has changed dramatically. Recently arrived residents in the northern suburbs, accustomed to today's anemic winters, might find it astonishing to learn that there were once ski runs on Ballantrae Hill in McLean, with a rope tow and local ski club. Snow is so scarce today that most Virginia children probably don't own a sled. But neighbors came to our home at Hickory Hill nearly every winter weekend to ride saucers and Flexible Flyers.

In those days, I recall my uncle, President Kennedy, standing erect as he rode a toboggan in his top coat, never faltering until he slid into the boxwood at the bottom of the hill. Once, my father, Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, brought a delegation of visiting Eskimos home from the Justice Department for lunch at our house. They spent the afternoon building a great igloo in the deep snow in our backyard. My brothers and sisters played in the structure for several weeks before it began to melt. On weekend afternoons, we commonly joined hundreds of Georgetown residents for ice skating on Washington's C&O Canal, which these days rarely freezes enough to safely skate.

Meanwhile, Exxon Mobil and its carbon cronies continue to pour money into think tanks whose purpose is to deceive the American public into believing that global warming is a fantasy.

Nope. The model predicted weather extremes on both sides of the equation. Warmer weather overall (over a longer period of time) but also extremes, which included droughts and sometimes, heavy precipitation. It's climate change and I have to laugh when I see folks like Cyber (and Drudge) pointing towards any one snow storm or cold streak and try to debunk global warming from that small set of data. Debunking is done when looking at the longer trends.






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#43 : February 13, 2010, 09:49:04 AM

Sarah Palin is moron.

Imagine her as second in charge?

Right because Gore=Palin is that it? Seems that this thread is pointing out more due questions of man made GW, I fail to see how this has anything to do with Palin.... MSNBC must be celebrating.
No, becaue if so many of you harbor agendas, I wnat you to poke your little heads out so I can laugh at you first, before I shoot...Palin sucks. Sorry man. Republican, Democrat...whatever...if you suck, you suck. Palin is trash, and if you suppor ther...I hope you can bleach the crap out of your panties. Stop taking it so personal.

Politics is the bane of so many losers.

Harbor agendas?  Okay so if you think Palin is a loser, good for you that is your opinion, just seems as a disconnected thought to the subject of the thread by the OP.  Must be rough in your angst towards everything, I suppose that it is still too early for you to criticize Obama yet?

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#44 : February 13, 2010, 11:41:49 AM

Palin is popular because she represents middle America and the common folk. People see her as an average American mother who has values and conservative principles. She is someone that many people can relate to. She advocates common sense ideas which is what is at the heart of the tea party movement.

The tea party movement has already made it clear there will be no 3rd party. They know if they organize and nominate a candidate (no matter who it is), there is no way they can beat the Democrats. So they are organizing a grass roots effort to change the direction of the Republican party. They want the moderate RINOs (Republicans In Name Only) purged and they want common-sense conservatives put in. That's why guys like Marco Rubio is beating Charlie Crist in Florida. They are concentrating on getting conservatives to win primary elections. This movement right now is leader-less. It's not about one person. It's about an idea and a philosophy. Palin is just someone the movement identifies with and is outspoken enough to make a few elitists in Washington and the media very angry.

People right now don't relate to Obama. Obama is not doing what the people want. He looks like an elitist and a socialist who has become so stubburn with his agenda that he can no longer function as a leader of this country. Every time he wants something to pass congress, he holds closed-door meeting with only Democrats. The voters are sick and tired of that kind of crooked Chicago politics. People are sick of these 1000+ page bills that were negotiated in secret. People don't trust their government anymore. And that's a good thing. People are learning that the government is not your friend.
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