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Suh shows in college he can get to the QB but he does it by a bull rush, some experts believe he wont be able to bully the OG's in the NFL like he did in college, McCoy relied more on his first step and pass rushing moves and with some more coaching will be a beast.
I started a thread on this a couple weeks ago. The KEI has some merit. Here's the re-post...Pat Kirwan is a former NFL Scout/FOâ€”exec-turned writer/analyst who came up with his own metric called the Kirwan Explosiveness Index (KEI).While 40 times and other agility drills stand on their own merits, KEI grades a playerâ€™s explosive power . NFL teams are always looking to add explosive players to their roster, and KEI is a way to bundle that ability into an overall rating. In a nutshell, Kirwan looks for a score of 70 when combining the results of a playerâ€™s vertical jump, broad jump and bench press. For example a 35â€ť vertical, a 25 bench press, and 10 ft. broad jump would yield the magical 70 threshold. While not foolproof, KEI does correlate very positively to superior athletic performance and explosiveness.To illustrate, Kirwan examines 4 rush DE/OLB from the 2007 draft. All four players are very similar in size and college football production. This represents 80% of the overall player evaluation.Anthony SpencerÂ (KEI: 71.80)LaMarr WoodleyÂ Â (KEI: 77.30)Tim CrowderÂ Â Â Â Â (KEI: 71.75)Charles JohnsonÂ Â (KEI: 75.80)All four are similar in terms of speed (40 & 10) and agility (SS & 3C), however, not in terms of explosiveness. While all four break the KEI threshold of 70, LaMarr Woodley clearly stands out. This then represents the remaining 20% of the evaluation, so the selection, if I were drafting, would be LaMarr Woodley.One other thing to add is that not all measures of KEI are created equal. Due to deviations in tested performance, not all benchmarks carry the same weighted value. For example, bench reps tend to be overvalued since playerâ€™s can average anywhere from 10 to 40 reps. So, just keep in mind that a 70 KEI pass rusher (BR-24, VJ-36, BJ-10) does not describe the same type of prospect as a 70 KEI offensive tackle (BR-32, VJ-30, BJ-8).In summary, knowing how to judiciously apply measures of athletic ability -- speed, agility, and explosiveness (KEI), can make all the difference between selecting a Pro Bowl player to just a merely good one.http://pit.scout.com/2/838814.html
While McCoy represents the consolation prize for not landing Suh, its not a bad consolation prize at that. But for everyone to disregard Suh's production and ability on the field to greatly impact the players that play along side him and have put McCoy above Suh its ludicrous. Now McCoy is not a bad player and if Suh was not in this draft he would be the number one rated defensive tackle prospect but he should not be ranked above Suh.[/quoteOn point.
Quote from: colabucsfan on March 14, 2010, 10:01:00 AMSuh shows in college he can get to the QB but he does it by a bull rush, some experts believe he wont be able to bully the OG's in the NFL like he did in college, McCoy relied more on his first step and pass rushing moves and with some more coaching will be a beast. I'm thinking it will be a lot easier to teach McCoy's pass rushing moves to Suh than it will be to teach Suh's strength to McCoy.
Many have stated they think McCoy is the superior player when it comes to being explosive. So by using Pat Kirwans idea on how to measure the explosiveness of prospects by taking bench press reps, vertical jump and the broad jump and adding all three together to get a cumulative score. Here is how they stack up in terms of explosiveness.SuhBench Reps 32vertical Jump 35.5Broad Jump 9Cumulative explosion score 76.5McCoyBench Reps 23vertical Jump 30.5Broad Jump 9.5Cumulative explosion score 63.0When you factor in forty times, production on the field and the ability of Suh to elevate the play of players around him there is no way that McCoy should every be rated above Suh in any environment or scheme.