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#30 : March 23, 2010, 10:13:25 AM


That seemed to constantly shift as they were shot down. First it was "the government is going to decide what doctor you have!" Debunked. "There's going to be death panels!" Debunked. "This is going to cause massive debt!" Debunked. So now they've latched on to the abortion provisions. There's never been a consistent argument against this other than Obama's in favor of it.

Yeah you've not been paying attention very hard.

I like that you think the debt argument was debunked. Now I know how dumb you are. The entire "payment" for this is a trick but CBO can only use the numbers it is given so if people say "we'll do X" they based their math on those assumptions no matter how silly.

The first 10 years of taxes will only cover 6 years of "benefits". When you run the cost projections at 15 years things get really ugly.
They must trim $463b from Medicare, which ain't gonna happen and never has.
The legislation will have to have $114b per year for the first 10 years to fund it but CBO was not allowed to use that in their calculations.

Once you remove all the tricks the plan will raises deficits dramatically and that assumes the bad history of cost calculations by government plans doesn't kcik in here to and the thing winds up costing way, way more than anyone thought it would. Medicare, in 9165, assumed it would cost $9b by 1990, it actually cost 7x more at $67b. 2 decades later the Medicare hospital subsidy was supposed to top out at $100m by 1992. That projection proved off by just a bit, as costs actually went to $11b or a factor of 100x.



I'm sure he/she believes Clinton actually left a surplus, too.

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#31 : March 23, 2010, 10:15:11 AM

The first 10 years of taxes will only cover 6 years of "benefits". When you run the cost projections at 15 years things get really ugly.

And of course, absolutely nothing will be done between now and then to address that.



This is the first thing I agree with you on.

\"The budget should be balanced; the treasury should be refilled; public debt should be reduced; and the arrogance of public officials should be controlled.\" -Cicero. 106-43 B.C.

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#32 : March 23, 2010, 10:30:53 AM

The first 10 years of taxes will only cover 6 years of "benefits".  When you run the cost projections at 15 years things get really ugly.

And of course, absolutely nothing will be done between now and then to address that.

Oh wait, so this thing does cost more than the "it'll save us money" theory? How will we cover those increased costs? Will we shrink this huge nasty program? Oh wait, no, we'll just raise some more taxes to feed the beast that's right. You can always "fix" the problem of something costing too much money the question is is that the right thing to do. Anyone think people might look at Medicare a bit differently if people in 1965 had accurate cost projections?

Nice way you ignored all the other points but decided to get into a huff about thing because someone showed you how woefully misinformed you were.

All posts are opinions in case you are too stupid to figure that out on your own without me saying it over and over.

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#33 : March 23, 2010, 10:36:25 AM

Taxation without representation is TYRANNY!


Tyranny deserves only one response.


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#34 : March 23, 2010, 10:55:19 AM

Taxation without representation is TYRANNY!


Tyranny deserves only one response.


\"The budget should be balanced; the treasury should be refilled; public debt should be reduced; and the arrogance of public officials should be controlled.\" -Cicero. 106-43 B.C.

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#35 : March 23, 2010, 10:59:37 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03/22/us/AP-US-Democrats-Offices-Damaged.html?_r=1

Seriously....throwing a brick through office windows.....


Threatening to kill the President?????!??!!!
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/health-care-bill-spurs-assassination-calls-twitter/story?id=10170233

Spitting on a elected member of Congress and using epitaphs...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/20/AR2010032002556.html

Baby killer shouted on the house floor?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/22/stupak-called-baby-killer-house-floor/

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was quoted Sunday as saying that President Obama and the Democrats, by passing comprehensive health care legislation, "will have destroyed their party much as Lyndon Johnson shattered the Democratic Party for 40 years" with the passage of civil rights legislation.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/gingrich-like-lbj-obama-risks.html?wprss=44


The acts of "true Americans" <SARCASM>

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Have some dignity

Keep up the good work guys! Keep it coming, keep it coming!

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#36 : March 23, 2010, 11:04:25 AM

Have some dignity

These Americans are de**CENSORED**able to treat our elected officials this way.

Damn Morgan, you are such a kiss a$$ for these scum. If you love big government so much, then move to China. Its people like you who are destroying this Country.

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#37 : March 23, 2010, 11:06:32 AM

One thing this does show though is that neither side has a monopoly on idiots.

This is true. Also true that not all the representatives deserve citizen's respect.



No more photos of yourself, O.K. Morgana. Kapeesh?

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#38 : March 23, 2010, 12:59:00 PM

They are not opponents of healthcare, they are opponents of that 2000+ page sham that is called a Healthcare Bill (even though about 1900 of those pages do nothing to improve health care.)

And just what was the Republican plan for health care reform before the Democrats started pushing it?

And I'm sure if you took a poll back in the mid-1960s, a large percentage of Americans would have opposed desegregation. Sometimes what's right isn't what's popular.

I don't think that is true - do you have something that proves your statement?  Now if you limit the point to busing I think you might have a winner.  Not with the blanket statement however.

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#39 : March 23, 2010, 02:31:19 PM

They did so with a legion of good reasons

That seemed to constantly shift as they were shot down. First it was "the government is going to decide what doctor you have!" Debunked. "There's going to be death panels!" Debunked. "This is going to cause massive debt!" Debunked. So now they've latched on to the abortion provisions. There's never been a consistent argument against this other than Obama's in favor of it.

Taxes, Taxes, Taxes. Control, Control, Control.

The individual mandate is what a lot of people are pissed about. And that is what dozens of states are now filing lawsuits over.

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#40 : March 23, 2010, 02:32:57 PM

Taxation without representation is TYRANNY!


Tyranny deserves only one response.

How do you figure taxation without representation?
You have representation.....you just lost.

You want your view to be held by your representative? Organize and win the election.

Did you vote? or did your district just appoint someone? THAT would be taxation without representation.

Seriously....lol


Taxation without representation is TYRANNY!


Tyranny deserves only one response.


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#41 : March 23, 2010, 02:33:38 PM

Did these people "stay classy?"


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#42 : March 23, 2010, 02:36:15 PM


They must trim $463b from Medicare, which ain't gonna happen and never has.
The legislation will have to have $114b per year for the first 10 years to fund it but CBO was not allowed to use that in their calculations.


The theory is that the increased pool of people will ease the load on Medicare which would allow the cuts to happen. Of course that requires a lot of luck more so than sound planning long term.

It is my opinion Medicare must be cut to make any long term progress for health care in this nation as painful as it may be initially.




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#43 : March 23, 2010, 03:17:29 PM


They must trim $463b from Medicare, which ain't gonna happen and never has.
The legislation will have to have $114b per year for the first 10 years to fund it but CBO was not allowed to use that in their calculations.


The theory is that the increased pool of people will ease the load on Medicare which would allow the cuts to happen. Of course that requires a lot of luck more so than sound planning long term.

It is my opinion Medicare must be cut to make any long term progress for health care in this nation as painful as it may be initially.


Which is great in theory, but seeing as that for the most part, the people coming in aren't going to be contributing to the pool, it kinda destroys that argument.

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#44 : March 23, 2010, 03:18:19 PM

Did these people "stay classy?"


yes they did..... but do you honestly compare the tea party of 1775 to whats going on today?

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