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#15 : March 24, 2010, 10:44:28 AM

Do any Americans on this board go to other teams around the world fansites to discuss the politics of their country?

This jagoff isn't even a Buc fan.


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#16 : March 24, 2010, 12:38:20 PM

Obama and his socialist party will not prevail.........the fight is in it's infancy....but organizing daily....Leftists will depend on their idealistic government for protection........

Patriots will unite and defeat this present day facism......At the ballot box or in the trenches...

Arm yourselves my patriot friends.......as history has proven, an unarmed society is like a herd of helpless sheep.

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#17 : March 24, 2010, 12:08:54 PM

So this guy took the time to register an account because his favorite European kickball team happens to be owned by the Glazers? Seriously, there aren't many things that annoy me more than non-Americans pontificating about our country's internal politics.

Oh, and YoozaHo, the queen's a whore.

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#18 : March 24, 2010, 12:15:14 PM

Millions of young Americans have given of their lives to keep this country free.

Now 219 liberal socialist Democrats took it away with one vote.

Learn to disagree without being disagreeable-Ronald Reagan circa 1981

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#19 : March 24, 2010, 12:15:45 PM

Hey, she's a nice lady!!

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#20 : March 24, 2010, 02:13:29 PM

Keep your lymey opinions over there across the pond. You have no dog in this fight and we kicked your butt out of the colonies over 200 years ago because of your screwed up government and king. If it wasn't for us you'd be speaking German right now.

This is so narrow minded and retarded it's absolutely hilarious. What are you, about 14?

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#21 : March 24, 2010, 02:13:57 PM

Anyone with a modicum of intellect help me out here, what are your issues with the reform plan?

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#22 : March 24, 2010, 02:16:54 PM

So this guy took the time to register an account because his favorite European kickball team happens to be owned by the Glazers? Seriously, there aren't many things that annoy me more than non-Americans pontificating about our country's internal politics.

Oh, and YoozaHo, the queen's a whore.

You confuse me with someone who gives a flying fudge about the Royal Family. And i took the time to register because i actually like NFL and hoped for some serious conversation about various subjects.


Pretty friggin obvious though non of the people on this thread that i've noticed can provide it.

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#23 : March 24, 2010, 03:14:29 PM

So this guy took the time to register an account because his favorite European kickball team happens to be owned by the Glazers? Seriously, there aren't many things that annoy me more than non-Americans pontificating about our country's internal politics.

Oh, and YoozaHo, the queen's a whore.

You confuse me with someone who gives a flying f*ck about the Royal Family. And i took the time to register because i actually like NFL and hoped for some serious conversation about various subjects.


Pretty friggin obvious though non of the people on this thread that i've noticed can provide it.
don't mind you posting here and don't let the flaming discourage you about this place.  we like to fight amongst ourselves.  just no more stupid soccer post.


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#24 : March 24, 2010, 03:14:11 PM

Keep your lymey opinions over there across the pond. You have no dog in this fight and we kicked your butt out of the colonies over 200 years ago because of your screwed up government and king. If it wasn't for us you'd be speaking German right now.

This is so narrow minded and retarded it's absolutely hilarious. What are you, about 14?

Shouldn't you be more concerned with the sanitation standards in your NHS hospitals, or the massive debt your socialized medicine is mired in, or the funding cuts to hospitals that the debt has brought on, or the countless malingerers and hypochondriacs taking advantage of all the "free" medical services, or the number of people trading government supplied medical devices for beer and perfume, or the 12% of taxes going to your health services, or the 4000 patients per doctor ratios, or the fact the NHS was modeled on Lenin's Soviet healthcare system, and sholdn't you be thanking America for the billions and billions the taxpayers of this country have pumped into your failing system instead of coming in here and trashing those of us who don't want to become you!

This 14 year old personally wants to treat you in the same manner as your country has treated Michael Savage. I say ban you from visiting this site

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#25 : March 24, 2010, 03:21:00 PM

.The Truth About the Health Care Bill and Our Political GovernanceJust Because They Smile Nicely and Speak Pretty When They Lie to Us -- It Doesn't Mean That The Truth Will Be Any More Pleasant Once Revealed
Just reposting a great article by Jane Hamsher on the Huffington Post that I read this morning ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/fact-sheet-the-truth-abou_b_506026.html ) -- and just because they slipped this in doesn't mean that we have to take it.

Be Vigilant -- American Citizen's Are to Rule the American Government.

Be Strong -- Come November: Vote Against Every Last Incumbent Running for Office.

FACT SHEET: THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HEALTH CARE BILL

The Firedoglake health care team has been covering the debate in congress since it began last year. The health care bill will come up for a vote in the House on Sunday, and as Nancy Pelosi works to wrangle votes, we've been running a detailed whip count on where every member of Congress stands, updated throughout the day.

We've also taken a detailed look at the bill, and have come up with 18 often stated myths about this health care reform bill.

Real health care reform is the thing we've fought for from the start. It is desperately needed. But this bill falls short on many levels, and hurts many people more than it helps them.

While details are limited, there is apparently a "Plan B" alternative that the White House was considering as recently as two weeks ago, which would evidently expand existing programs -- Medicaid and SCHIP. It would cover half the people at a quarter of the price, but it would not force an unbearable financial burden to those who are already struggling to get by.

Congress may be too far down the road with this bill to change course. But before Democrats cast this vote which could turn "ban the mandate" into "gay marriage" for the GOP in 2010, they should consider the first rule of patient safety: first, do no harm.

Myth 1: This is a universal health care bill.

Fact: The bill is neither universal health care nor universal health insurance. According to the Congressional Budget Office: - Total uninsured in 2019 with no bill: 54 million - Total uninsured in 2019 with Senate bill: 24 million

Myth 2: Insurance companies hate this bill.

Fact: This bill is almost identical to the plan written by AHIP, the insurance company trade association, in 2009. The original Senate Finance Committee bill was authored by a former Wellpoint vice president. Since Congress released the first of its health care bills on October 30, 2009, health care stocks have risen 28.35%.

Myth 3: The bill will significantly bring down insurance premiums for most Americans.

Fact: The bill will not bring down premiums significantly, and certainly not the $2,500/year that President Obama promised during his campaign.

Annual premiums in 2016: status quo / with bill: Small group market, single: $7,800 / $7,800 Small group market, family: $19,3oo / $19,200 Large Group market, single: $7,400 / $7,300 Large group market, family: $21,100 / $21,300 Individual market, single: $5,500 / $5,800 Individual market, family: $13,100 / $15,200

(The cost of premiums in the individual market goes up somewhat due to subsidies and mandates of better coverage. The CBO assumes that cost of individual policies goes down 7-10%, and that people will buy more generous policies.)

Myth 4: The bill will make health care affordable for middle class Americans.

Fact: The bill will impose a financial hardship on middle class Americans who will be forced to buy a product that they can't afford to use.

A family of four making $66,370 will be forced to pay $5,243 per year for insurance. After basic necessities, this leaves them with $8,307 in discretionary income -- out of which they would have to cover clothing, credit card and other debt, child care and education costs, in addition to $5,882 in annual out-of-pocket medical expenses for which families will be responsible.

Myth 5: This plan is similar to the Massachusetts plan, which makes health care affordable.

Fact: Many Massachusetts residents forgo health care because they can't afford it. A 2009 study by the state of Massachusetts found that:

21% of residents forgo medical treatment because they can't afford it, including 12% of children 18% have health insurance but can't afford to use it

Myth 6: This bill provides health care to 31 million people who are currently uninsured.

Fact: This bill will mandate that millions of people who are currently uninsured purchase insurance from private companies, or the IRS will collect up to 2% of their annual income in penalties. Some will be assisted with government subsidies.

Myth 7: You can keep the insurance you have if you like it.

Fact: The excise tax will result in employers switching to plans with higher co-pays and fewer covered services. Older, less healthy employees with employer-based health care will be forced to pay much more in out-of-pocket expenses than they do now.

Myth 8: The "excise tax" will encourage employers to reduce the scope of health care benefits, and they will pass the savings on to employees in the form of higher wages.

Fact: There is insufficient evidence that employers pass savings from reduced benefits on to employees.

Myth 9: This bill employs nearly every cost control idea available to bring down costs.

Fact: This bill does not bring down costs and leaves out nearly every key cost control measure, including:

- Public Option ($25-$110 billion) - Medicare buy-in - Drug re-importation ($19 billion) - Medicare drug price negotiation ($300 billion) - Shorter pathway to generic biologics ($71 billion)

Myth 10: The bill will require big companies like Wal-Mart to provide insurance for their employees.

Fact: The bill was written so that most Wal-Mart employees will qualify for subsidies, and taxpayers will pick up a large portion of the cost of their coverage.

Myth 11: The bill "bends the cost curve" on health care.

Fact: "Bends the cost curve" is a misleading and trivial claim, as the U.S. would still spend far more for care than other advanced countries.

In 2009, health care costs were 17.3% of GDP.

Annual cost of health care in 2019, status quo: $4,670.6 billion (20.8% of GDP)

Annual cost of health care in 2019, Senate bill: $4,693.5 billion (20.9% of GDP)

Myth 12: The bill will provide immediate access to insurance for Americans who are uninsured because of a pre-existing condition.

Fact: Access to the "high risk pool" is limited and the pool is underfunded. Only those who have been uninsured for more than six months will qualify for the high-risk pool. Only 0.7% of those without insurance now will get coverage, and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services report estimates it will run out of funding by 2011 or 2012.

Myth 13: The bill prohibits dropping people in individual plans from coverage when they get sick.

Fact: The bill does not empower a regulatory body to keep people from being dropped when they're sick. There are already many states that have laws on the books prohibiting people from being dropped when they're sick, but without an enforcement mechanism, there is little to hold the insurance companies in check.

Myth 14: The bill ensures consumers have access to an effective internal and external appeals process to challenge new insurance plan decisions.

Fact: The "internal appeals process" is in the hands of the insurance companies themselves, and the "external" one is up to each state.

Ensuring that consumers have access to "internal appeals" simply means the insurance companies have to review their own decisions. And it is the responsibility of each state to provide an "external appeals process," as there is neither funding nor a regulatory mechanism for enforcement at the federal level.

Myth 15: This bill will stop insurance companies from hiking rates 30%-40% per year.

Fact: This bill does not limit insurance company rate hikes. Private insurers continue to be exempt from anti-trust laws, and are free to raise rates without fear of competition in many areas of the country.

Myth 16: When the bill passes, people will begin receiving benefits under this bill immediately

Fact: Most provisions in this bill, such as an end to the ban on pre-existing conditions for adults, do not take effect until 2014.

Six months from the date of passage, children could not be excluded from coverage due to pre-existing conditions, though insurance companies could charge more to cover them. Children would also be allowed to stay on their parents' plans until age 26. There will be an elimination of lifetime coverage limits, a high risk pool for those who have been uninsured for more than 6 months, and community health centers will start receiving money.

Myth 17: The bill creates a pathway for single payer.

Fact: Bernie Sanders' provision in the Senate bill does not start until 2017, and does not cover the Department of Labor, so no, it doesn't create a pathway for single payer.

Obama told Dennis Kucinich that the Ohio Representative's amendment is similar to Bernie Sanders' provision in the Senate bill, and creates a pathway to single payer. Since the waiver does not start until 2017, and does not cover the Department of Labor, it is nearly impossible to see how it gets around the ERISA laws that stand in the way of any practical state single payer system.

Myth 18: The bill will end medical bankruptcy and provide all Americans with peace of mind.

Fact: Most people with medical bankruptcies already have insurance, and out-of-pocket expenses will continue to be a burden on the middle class.

In 2009, 1.5 million Americans declared bankruptcy

Of those, 62% were medically related

Three-quarters of those had health insurance

The Obama bill leaves 24 million without insurance

The maximum yearly out-of-pocket limit for a family will be $11,900 (PDF) on top of premiums

A family with serious medical problems that last for a few years could easily be financially crushed by medical costs

Real health care reform is needed. But this bill falls short of that on many levels.

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#26 : March 24, 2010, 03:26:29 PM

Keep your lymey opinions over there across the pond. You have no dog in this fight and we kicked your butt out of the colonies over 200 years ago because of your screwed up government and king. If it wasn't for us you'd be speaking German right now.

This is so narrow minded and retarded it's absolutely hilarious. What are you, about 14?

Shouldn't you be more concerned with the sanitation standards in your NHS hospitals, or the massive debt your socialized medicine is mired in, or the funding cuts to hospitals that the debt has brought on, or the countless malingerers and hypochondriacs taking advantage of all the "free" medical services, or the number of people trading government supplied medical devices for beer and perfume, or the 12% of taxes going to your health services, or the 4000 patients per doctor ratios, or the fact the NHS was modeled on Lenin's Soviet healthcare system, and sholdn't you be thanking America for the billions and billions the taxpayers of this country have pumped into your failing system instead of coming in here and trashing those of us who don't want to become you!

Stupid narrow-minded, retarded American.


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#27 : March 24, 2010, 03:43:45 PM

Keep your lymey opinions over there across the pond. You have no dog in this fight and we kicked your butt out of the colonies over 200 years ago because of your screwed up government and king. If it wasn't for us you'd be speaking German right now.

This is so narrow minded and retarded it's absolutely hilarious. What are you, about 14?

Shouldn't you be more concerned with the sanitation standards in your NHS hospitals, or the massive debt your socialized medicine is mired in, or the funding cuts to hospitals that the debt has brought on, or the countless malingerers and hypochondriacs taking advantage of all the "free" medical services, or the number of people trading government supplied medical devices for beer and perfume, or the 12% of taxes going to your health services, or the 4000 patients per doctor ratios, or the fact the NHS was modeled on Lenin's Soviet healthcare system, and sholdn't you be thanking America for the billions and billions the taxpayers of this country have pumped into your failing system instead of coming in here and trashing those of us who don't want to become you!

This 14 year old personally wants to treat you in the same manner as your country has treated Michael Savage. I say ban you from visiting this site


A ban.....how very anti-first amendment.

And your history knowledge is absolutely garbage too.

Your assessment of the NHS and it's troubles, however, aren't far off.

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#28 : March 24, 2010, 03:46:26 PM

Skull and Bones, this board should be grateful to you for sage and intelligent discussion, instead of "Yeah, we saved your butt in World War 2. America...FUDGE YEAH!" your compatriots are spouting. but i'm hurt.....HURT that the soccer post is deemed stupid.

HURT.




(Cue a tirade from one of your fellow boardees about how dumb soccer is)

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#29 : March 24, 2010, 03:46:46 PM

Are you not aware of the sumpreme irony of comparing a bill which aims to give health cover to the 10-15% of your country who don't have it, and comparing the main proponent of that bill, Obama to Nazis and the Gestapo and the like?

To be opposed to the bill is a very right wing view. Now....what was being a Nazi...left or right? Hmmmm.

Give your heads a friggin' wobble, yes if you're young and healthy it doesn't make a massive amount of sense. By that rationale anyone living in a nice big house in a nice area should not have home insurance coz they'll never get robbed, right?

Point is, you never know. I'm going to tell you a story, a young minor celebrity here called Jade was a young healthy 26 year old with about $4million in the bank from various TV things she'd done. Aged 27 she found out she had cervical cancer, by 28 she was dead. Her kids can look forward to that money when they turn 18 because of the National Health Service. If she'd have been ill in the US and uninsured because she was "young and healthy" and decided it was her right her kids would have been lucky to have had enough left over to have bought a beer when they come of age.

Ledt's disuss then. First, your history of the Nazi party leaves out the fact that it was first founded in the German Workers Party, a LEFT-WING revolutionary party. Anton Drexler recruited Hitler due to Hitler's oratory skills. Although Hitler despised socialists he was clever enough to use them due to the popularity of socialism at the time. He redefined Socialist by placing the term National in front of the new name for the party, The National Socialist German Workers Party. Hitler eventually overthrew the Bavarian right wing government because that government did nothing to stop him while Hitler was attacking Socialists and Communists. So you see, the Nazi's had there roots in the left wing but grew into an ideology all there own, primarily based in Nationalism and anti-Semantism, neither of which are true right wing ideologies per se, and definately not Conservative what so ever.

Now, comparing Obama to the Nazi's is somewhat flawed, unless you compare his Nationalistic tendencies, his oratory skills and his use of propaganda to promote his views of redefining America to his ideals. Obama is better compared to and is rightly a Fabian Socialist, a term you should be well aware of being a Brit.

As far as the 10-15% of the population not being covered, well that's just wrong. Those people have access to healthcare through legislative requirements of having to be treated through any emergency room.

The rest of your post is just crap.

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