Oh Snap! PFT taking a shot at Jamarcus using our boy Freeman...

[escobar]

I seriously doubt Byron would have even been on the roster, much less the starter all year. Rumors were that JJ was going to be Gruden's choice.

[olafberserker]

Rumors were that JJ was going to be Gruden's choice.

couldn' be true .... Gruden only used crusty vets

[Booker]

Thankfully it wasn't allowed to come true.

[escobar]

So no vets, and no young guys. Got it. The pickings might be slim though after that.

[JDouble]

Stop Escobar.    You apparently did not receive the memo ... Gruden sucks (or was lucky apparently) and only liked crusty vets ... we are much better off now and should be thanking the Glazers for our 3-13 season and the opportunity to watch a HC "learn on the job"

How was he lucky exactly? He came in his first year and won the Super Bowl with the #1 defense and his 24th ranked offense. The year before under Dungy our offense was ranked 27th. Gruden's offensive genius really propelled us right to the Superbowl! Gimme a break.

After that first year and the Super Bowl, what did we get out of the Gruden era? Horrible draft picks. Overpayed washed up veterans eating up our cap. Two embarassing Wildcard blowout losses. A slow degeneration of our great defense. A 38-42 record.


Am I forgeting anything?

[pewtersmoker28]

nope...NO SHOT TO PLAY FOR SNYDER....and raheem.....

Are you kidding? Freeman was being courted to stay by Bill Snyder. The Wildcats would have been much better off than with Grant Gregory at QB.

In fact, with Freeman we probably would have gone bowling last year. One of the reasons Freeman wanted to leave was to give his close friend, Carson Coffman (brother of former Mizzou TE Chase Coffman) the shot to be KSU's starting QB. Coffman began the season as the starter (by default) and then tanked it and was replaced by Gregory, a USF transfer.

they were better this year w/o him. They fired freemans head coach......Normally great qbs dont get their HC fired.....ala see the top 5 qbs in almost every draft.

[Ramonb]

Stop Escobar.    You apparently did not receive the memo ... Gruden sucks (or was lucky apparently) and only liked crusty vets ... we are much better off now and should be thanking the Glazers for our 3-13 season and the opportunity to watch a HC "learn on the job"

How was he lucky exactly? He came in his first year and won the Super Bowl with the #1 defense and his 24th ranked offense. The year before under Dungy our offense was ranked 27th. Gruden's offensive genius really propelled us right to the Superbowl! Gimme a break.

After that first year and the Super Bowl, what did we get out of the Gruden era? Horrible draft picks. Overpayed washed up veterans eating up our cap. Two embarassing Wildcard blowout losses. A slow degeneration of our great defense. A 38-42 record.


Am I forgeting anything?

Your forgetting to mention that while Gruden was a great coach in his own regard, the same meltdown that we are experiencing due to Gruden's inability to adequately "restock" also happened in Oakland, but both incidences were purely coincidental.

And I echo what the other posters feel.  Love the guy for 2002, admire his ability to gameplan, but in the end he couldn't sustain, it and we were slowly dying.

[Booker]

nope...NO SHOT TO PLAY FOR SNYDER....and raheem.....

Are you kidding? Freeman was being courted to stay by Bill Snyder. The Wildcats would have been much better off than with Grant Gregory at QB.

In fact, with Freeman we probably would have gone bowling last year. One of the reasons Freeman wanted to leave was to give his close friend, Carson Coffman (brother of former Mizzou TE Chase Coffman) the shot to be KSU's starting QB. Coffman began the season as the starter (by default) and then tanked it and was replaced by Gregory, a USF transfer.

they were better this year w/o him. They fired freemans head coach......Normally great qbs dont get their HC fired.....ala see the top 5 qbs in almost every draft.

WOW, that big one win better. Shucks they were sooooo good.

[pewtersmoker28]

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nope...NO SHOT TO PLAY FOR SNYDER....and raheem.....

4=9 theory?
Are you kidding? Freeman was being courted to stay by Bill Snyder. The Wildcats would have been much better off than with Grant Gregory at QB.

In fact, with Freeman we probably would have gone bowling last year. One of the reasons Freeman wanted to leave was to give his close friend, Carson Coffman (brother of former Mizzou TE Chase Coffman) the shot to be KSU's starting QB. Coffman began the season as the starter (by default) and then tanked it and was replaced by Gregory, a USF transfer.

they were better this year w/o him. They fired freemans head coach......Normally great qbs dont get their HC fired.....ala see the top 5 qbs in almost every draft.

WOW, that big one win better. Shucks they were sooooo good.

[Hate]

So he had a team with very little depth on either side of the ball, an offense with only a few manageable pieces, no premium draft picks to help him quickly retool the roster,

......and terrible mismanagement of the picks he did have. Did any young "talent" progress under his tutelage...... anyone?

[Ramonb]

So he had a team with very little depth on either side of the ball, an offense with only a few manageable pieces, no premium draft picks to help him quickly retool the roster,

......and terrible mismanagement of the picks he did have. Did any young "talent" progress under his tutelage...... anyone?

UHM Chris Simms, I can't believe you overlooked Simms.  Didn't he get a start or 2 in Denver this year

[Samari28]

Gruden was not lucky to win the Super Bowl, he just inherited one of the best defenses of all-time and all his sorry butt had to do was tweak the offense to score a few more points.  As you can see the more and more Gruden put his stamp on the team the weaker we became.  Make no mistake we are lacking talent because of him and Allen spending premium picks on busts like Barrett Ruud, Gaines Adams, Dexter Jackson, Chris Colmer, Michael Clayton and many others.  Yeah he was here when Talib, T-Jack and Cadillac were drafted but even Cadillac has under-performed as a top five pick.  Gruden inherited a team LOADED with talent and he could not even draft one single Pro-Bowl player in what six - seven years.  That says it all right there.  Rag Raheem all you want but Raheem did more with this team than Gruden would have and at least we have a sense of direction rather than listening to the bs excuses Gruden had ever freaking Monday.  Gruden is a great offensive coordinator but this is his peak - he is not a great head coach, hell he couldn't develop a QB even if he had Peyton Manning.

[pewtersmoker28]

Gruden was not lucky to win the Super Bowl, he just inherited one of the best defenses of all-time and all his sorry butt had to do was tweak the offense to score a few more points.  As you can see the more and more Gruden put his stamp on the team the weaker we became.  Make no mistake we are lacking talent because of him and Allen spending premium picks on busts like Barrett Ruud, Gaines Adams, Dexter Jackson, Chris Colmer, Michael Clayton and many others.  Yeah he was here when Talib, T-Jack and Cadillac were drafted but even Cadillac has under-performed as a top five pick.  Gruden inherited a team LOADED with talent and he could not even draft one single Pro-Bowl player in what six - seven years.  That says it all right there.  Rag Raheem all you want but Raheem did more with this team than Gruden would have and at least we have a sense of direction rather than listening to the a subject for debate excuses Gruden had ever freaking Monday.  Gruden is a great offensive coordinator but this is his peak - he is not a great head coach, hell he couldn't develop a QB even if he had Peyton Manning.

does 4=9?

[Hate]

Geez dude, i've been trying to erase Simms and his PCV dummies outta my memory.

[pewtersmoker28]

i have been wishing for 9 wins......3 division titles......a superbowl.....