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: April 05, 2010, 07:36:31 PM

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  Free agent Alex Brown is reportedly scheduled to visit with an unnamed NFL team on Tuesday.

According to Profootballtalk.com, "several teams" are showing interest in the versatile 31-year-old end. Brown offers the ability to play both end positions and inside. Also experienced in the Tampa 2, the Bucs could be a suitor.



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#1 : April 05, 2010, 07:39:10 PM

Methinks Rah and Dom might be in "save job" mode.

They want to add up some wins, and adding an older DE who can pass rush is clearly the right way to go...

But of course, it would create trepidation amongst us peons who have "bought into" the youth movememnt.  I haven't...but just saying...


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#2 : April 05, 2010, 07:42:35 PM

Well they did say they want some veteran leaders this off-season, Brown would be a good addition imo.

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#3 : April 05, 2010, 07:43:29 PM

Well they did say they want some veteran leaders this off-season, Brown would be a good addition imo.
What qualifies Alex Brown as a "leader"...

He played on a team that had Urlacher, Briggs, Peanut Tillman...THOSE guys were leaders.  Not Brown.




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#4 : April 05, 2010, 08:16:13 PM

"Somebody please tell me which McCaskey family member Alex Brown forgot to send a Christmas card.

Or did Brown take Ted Phillips' parking spot at Halas Hall or cut in front of Jerry Angelo in the lunch line?

Because the Bears' interest in trading or releasing Brown -- news broken Friday morning by Tribune reporter Brad Biggs -- cannot possibly be a football decision. That's absurd. It would trim $5 million off the 2010 payroll, sure. It would remove a $5.5 million salary off the books in 2011, yes. It even would make the Bears' average age younger on a defense getting gray around the temple.

But getting rid of Brown makes the Bears better as a football team? Let us hope nobody tries to insult our football intelligence by selling us that nonsense.

NFL people lie all the time. So if you hear in the next month Phillips or Angelo or Lovie Smith try to explain how the Bears defense will improve without Brown, it will be one of the biggest whoppers they have tried to perpetuate in Chicago. This is no way to keep the offseason momentum going. In the context of a football game, this is throwing an interception while trying to run out the clock. Just dumb.

The team just guaranteed defensive end Julius Peppers $42 million over the next three seasons. To get the most out of Peppers, to make opposing offenses respect the edge opposite him, the Bears need Brown more, not less. If anybody has the slightest worry over Peppers' motivation level, nothing would quell those concerns more than having Brown alongside to establish the tone the way leaders do. They would complement one another.

The Bears need to give offensive lines another proven worry, a guy who shows up from September through January and not just during flashes of training camp and mini-camps. They need to rely on their most dependable leader and defensive lineman the past two years, a guy willing to play through pain and adversity.

Don't confuse this description of Brown as a perennial Pro Bowl player or an exaggeration of his skills. Brown never has been a regular double-digit sack guy and other ends have piled up bigger numbers. But if you care about chemistry and leadership and dependability and all the things Smith espouses, you pay Brown according to his contract because it's worth every penny. There isn't a more stand-up guy in the Bears' locker room or organization.

Show up after any Bears' tough loss, when Brown is the one willing to honestly and eloquently face whatever problems surfaced the previous 60 minutes while many of his higher-paid and visible teammates offer grunts and excuses. That's difficult to put a price on that if you're the Bears.

If the Bears think they can replace Brown's impact in the locker room and on the field by relying on Mark Anderson, shame on them for ignoring history. They already tried that once. Brown was the only guy in Bears history to be demoted in a meeting after starting on a Super Bowl defense in 2007, the last time the organization was so infatuated with Anderson. How did that work out, by the way?

In case you forgot, Brown showed up, went to work and won his job back by beating out Anderson.

Smith foreshadowed the Bears' feelings about Brown at the owners meetings in Orlando when he mentioned Israel Idonije would concentrate on defensive end instead of changing positions more often than a yoga instructor. That offers promise for Idonije but, as athletic as he is, he still doesn't possesses the ability to impact a game to the degree Brown has shown.

Gush all you want about the potential of Anderson and Idonije or Jarron Gilbert or the next draft pick to tease Bears fans. I'll take the production Brown offers all day, every day -- which is how often you get Brown's effort.

If there has been a more unappreciated Bears player the past decade than Brown, I am taking nominations.

The Bears like to wait for other teams to determine the market value of players. As Biggs reported in the Tribune, free-agent defensive end Kyle Vanden Bosch just signed a four-year, $26 million contract with the Lions that included $11 million in guarantees. It's possible Brown would become a richer man if the Bears cut him loose. That's a good debate.

There is no question the Bears' defense, as well as their entire organization, would be poorer for it."

See: http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/03/haugh-bears.html



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#5 : April 05, 2010, 08:20:06 PM

"M ark Anderson supposedly is ready for another breakout season despite evidence to the contrary. Lovie Smith says he wants Israel Idonije to move to end, even though he's the one who moved the Bears' ''Mr. Inside and Mr. Outside'' to defensive tackle in the first place.

Those will be among the reasons given for the team shopping veteran defensive end Alex Brown, along with the fact that Julius Peppers will make $20million this season guaranteed, and by trading or releasing Brown, they'll save a quarter of that amount this season and half over the next two.
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Bears defensive end Alex Brown's career is winding down, and it's unlikely he'll bring much in the trade market.
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But during this make-or-break season, another question looms, one that goes to the heart of team-building, one that should dictate every move Smith and general manager Jerry Angelo make this offseason:

Does getting rid of the reliable Brown make the Bears better?

It's hard to fathom how it would, especially because any decision to move on without Brown is, in part, based on Angelo and Smith projecting other players will excel in different roles. Not only have these two been inconsistent at evaluating outside talent, but they haven't always put the players already on the roster in positions to succeed.
Past mistakes

Danieal Manning has been bounced around the secondary like a pinball. Is it any wonder he hasn't developed into the player they thought he could be? The coaching staff stubbornly stuck with their plan for the offensive line last season, much to Jay Cutler's detriment, only to realize that that unit was much more effective after a late-season shakeup that should've occurred much earlier.

By shopping Brown, they're telling us that Idonije can be a full-time starter at end despite evidence to the contrary. Idonije deserves a shot. Unlike many other players on the roster, he's a hard-working, high-motor performer who gets the most out of what he has. He's a versatile, solid pro, but he might not have the raw speed to consistently get pressure from the edge.

It's the same with Anderson. You have to make tough decisions when you're in a position of power for an NFL team, no question. Based on Anderson's production the last three seasons, however, what makes Smith, Angelo and defensive line coach Rod Marinelli think he'll succeed in an expanded role when he has failed in that capacity in the past? He has been unable to beat out Brown for a starting spot in the past. Why should we believe he'll be successful now?

Sources claim Brown is unhappy with his contract and might be forcing the Bears' hand. He and Anderson will collect $5million per season during each of the next two seasons. Anderson is looking for a new deal as well, which just proves how delusional pro athletes can be. The Bears just spent $121 million in free agency, which means it's not the time to ask for more money, especially when the team -- the defense, in particular -- has underachieved for three seasons and especially, in Brown's case, when age is becoming a bigger factor.
Consistent Brown a leader

It seemed reasonable to expect the Bears to shed salary after signing Peppers, running back Chester Taylor and tight end Brandon Manumaleuna. Brown will be 31 this season, and his career is winding down, but he remains the Bears' most consistent defensive lineman and is unlikely to bring much, if anything, in the trade market. He's an unquestioned leader in the locker room and somebody who gives every ounce of effort on every play. In other words, he has been everything Tommie Harris hasn't been, but it's Harris who likely will stick around based on potential, not production.

Lovie and Jerry like defensive tackle Jarron Gilbert even though he couldn't play his way onto the field for a below-average defense last season. They like end Henry Melton, even though he hasn't played a snap in a regular-season game.

They better hope they're right because, by their own admission, the defensive line is the key to the defense and, therefore, the key to the team. By shopping Brown, they're telling us these two untested second-year players will be able to play significant roles even if others wonder if either can produce at this level.

They better be right this time because when it comes to evaluating talent, either outside the organization or inside their own locker room, these two can't afford to make any more mistakes."

See: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/2125828,CST-SPT-neil27.article.



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#6 : April 05, 2010, 08:21:52 PM

Yeah, he's a leader.  More importantly, he shows us up and works hard every day, all season long. And he's accountable.

Signing Brown, if contract terms can be reached, is a no brainer, IMO.

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#7 : April 05, 2010, 08:43:12 PM

Well they did say they want some veteran leaders this off-season, Brown would be a good addition imo.
What qualifies Alex Brown as a "leader"...

He played on a team that had Urlacher, Briggs, Peanut Tillman...THOSE guys were leaders.  Not Brown.




^^ Read above. Was going to get the story myself but already saw it posted. Thanks

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#8 : April 05, 2010, 08:56:58 PM

Seeing he is 31, a one year deal at a reasonable dollar amount would be good, IMHO.

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#9 : April 05, 2010, 09:07:03 PM

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  According to the Chicago Tribune, the "unknown team" free agent Alex Brown will visit with on Tuesday is the Saints.

The 31-year-old is also getting interest from the Bucs and Panthers, who both run the Tampa 2-style system Brown has played in for most of his career. In New Orleans, though, he'd help fill a gaping hole at left end and allow the Saints to draft the best player available with the Nos. 32 and 64 overall picks.


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#10 : April 05, 2010, 09:12:39 PM

I'd take Brown in Tampa, nice fit.


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#11 : April 05, 2010, 09:30:54 PM

"Don't confuse this description of Brown as a perennial Pro Bowl player or an exaggeration of his skills. Brown never has been a regular double-digit sack guy and other ends have piled up bigger numbers. But if you care about chemistry and leadership and dependability and all the things Smith espouses, you pay Brown according to his contract because it's worth every penny. There isn't a more stand-up guy in the Bears' locker room or organization."

Very important to have that role model type guy not to mention we need all the DL help we can get.

All posts are opinions in case you are too stupid to figure that out on your own without me saying it over and over.

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#12 : April 05, 2010, 09:39:00 PM

Work perfect with our youth movement.

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#13 : April 05, 2010, 09:42:20 PM

I'd rather re-visit this after the draft. If we end up with a good player in the 2nd round I'm going to want him to get some snaps, as well as other young players like Crowder and Moore. We already have one 30+ year old DE starting, there's really no upside for a 3-13 team to start two guys like that.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.



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#14 : April 05, 2010, 09:43:52 PM

I'd rather re-visit this after the draft. If we end up with a good player in the 2nd round I'm going to want him to get some snaps, as well as other young players like Crowder and Moore. We already have one 30+ year old DE starting, there's really no upside for a 3-13 team to start two guys like that.

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