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#15 : June 03, 2010, 09:42:02 AM

Im excited for these two. Dont know if they will be the next Sapp/Culpepper but I hope they turn out to be something fans are proud of. Hope they are the strength of our team for years.

I am hoping so but whenever I see these 2, and the rest of the picks, maybe it is my age, but they sound so "high school". This first year I think they are going to get eaten up at times. Miller is going to be their best friend.

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#16 : June 03, 2010, 09:51:51 AM

I agree obuc, I think we are expecting too much of the two rookies. Yes, they seem to be talented, but talent will only get you so far. Lack of experience is going to be hard on them. Neither has seen what experienced NFL offensive linemen are going to throw at them (or do to them). I seriously hope that Sapp really *DOES* work with them (and Culpepper too) to help smooth down that experience curve but I'm honestly not expecting pro-bowl seasons from either of them.

While I'm expecting better play at the DT tackle position from what we got last season overall, as rookies they are going to be exposed and abused until they get at least 8-10 games in and then they have to face the rookie wall. It's a rare DT that makes a big difference in their rookie year and expecting both Price and McCoy to make a big difference is probably going to lead to some disappointed fans in the end. I suspect at the end of this coming season Miller will probably look like our best DT.

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#17 : June 03, 2010, 11:34:24 AM

As long as they're disruptive and hold the middle vs the run - I'm good with it this season.

Add in a couple sacks, pressures and hits each would go a long way to making this Dline dominant... yeah, I said it.... "Dominant".

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#18 : June 03, 2010, 04:25:38 PM


I live out here in Los Angeles - and watched Brian Price and UCLA all the time. Price was dominant and was named the Pac-10 defensive player of the year. When I compare film on him with McCoy - I actually see Price better suited at UT and McCoy better at NT. McCoy plays stronger to me and seems better suited at occupying the center and guard - but Price shows much more quickness and penetration.

What do you guys think? Am I missing something?

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#19 : June 03, 2010, 04:34:09 PM

We'll know in 2012.  This organization better hope they hit a home run, or ya'll dunked.

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#20 : June 03, 2010, 04:43:52 PM

We are going to have the same problem as Grudens last year here.  I think the middle of our defense will be worn down, especially the 2 rookie DTs by the end of the season.    Miller will probably be OK, but not Price and McCoy.  Who knows though, maybe the rotation will keep these guys going strong. 

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#21 : June 03, 2010, 05:15:45 PM

I predict Price to be better than McCoy. All I went off of was video but I thought Price was the best DT behind Suh

What I saw in his vids, was a guy that ALWAYS seems to have a forward push. Looked a bit undersized, but used it to his advantage. He may not always get the QB, but he should be a constant disruption. If he can do the same at the NFL level, teams will want to stop him from pushing in, allowing McCoy to do his thing.

I think a time will come that we may all argue the question "Who is better than the other?" (after the season) or "Who really is the backbone?" Because both of them (in most cases) are first round talent.

But I do predict that McCoy will get the win on the sack stat. Among these two, that's all I can be sure of at this point. Price will help with that a great deal though imo.

Perfect way to describe Price.. he is constantly disruptive. He struggles changing direction but he is very strong and there were alot of games at UCLA where he was just unblockable.

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#22 : June 03, 2010, 07:31:32 PM

Man I love me some Suh...h eis going to be a monster for that defense...with all the guys they added to that line, the Lions might be legit this year.

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#23 : June 04, 2010, 11:23:59 AM

We are going to have the same problem as Grudens last year here. I think the middle of our defense will be worn down, especially the 2 rookie DTs by the end of the season. Miller will probably be OK, but not Price and McCoy. Who knows though, maybe the rotation will keep these guys going strong.

I think the rotation will keep them fresh, as long as there are no injuries. I think Sims can also be productive if he gets a few reps per series, no more. Sims didn't look bad at times last year, he was just extremely inconsistant. He looked out of shape all last year.

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#24 : June 26, 2010, 03:42:28 AM

I predict Price to be better than McCoy. All I went off of was video but I thought Price was the best DT behind Suh

What I saw in his vids, was a guy that ALWAYS seems to have a forward push. Looked a bit undersized, but used it to his advantage. He may not always get the QB, but he should be a constant disruption. If he can do the same at the NFL level, teams will want to stop him from pushing in, allowing McCoy to do his thing.

I think a time will come that we may all argue the question "Who is better than the other?" (after the season) or "Who really is the backbone?" Because both of them (in most cases) are first round talent.

But I do predict that McCoy will get the win on the sack stat. Among these two, that's all I can be sure of at this point. Price will help with that a great deal though imo.

Perfect way to describe Price.. he is constantly disruptive. He struggles changing direction but he is very strong and there were alot of games at UCLA where he was just unblockable.

From what you know and have seen, can these two be interchanged on different downs?

I think they definitely could, but I would like another perspective.


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#25 : June 26, 2010, 05:19:42 AM

I predict Price to be better than McCoy. All I went off of was video but I thought Price was the best DT behind Suh

What I saw in his vids, was a guy that ALWAYS seems to have a forward push. Looked a bit undersized, but used it to his advantage. He may not always get the QB, but he should be a constant disruption. If he can do the same at the NFL level, teams will want to stop him from pushing in, allowing McCoy to do his thing.

I think a time will come that we may all argue the question "Who is better than the other?" (after the season) or "Who really is the backbone?" Because both of them (in most cases) are first round talent.

But I do predict that McCoy will get the win on the sack stat. Among these two, that's all I can be sure of at this point. Price will help with that a great deal though imo.

Perfect way to describe Price.. he is constantly disruptive. He struggles changing direction but he is very strong and there were alot of games at UCLA where he was just unblockable.

From what you know and have seen, can these two be interchanged on different downs?

I think they definitely could, but I would like another perspective.

Something that makes me really excited is that McCoy, Price, and Miller can play on every single down and can play both NT or UT. I'm just as excited to see Miller play with Price as I am to see McCoy with Miller or McCoy with Price. Miller at NT and Price at UT is going to give interior lineman fits.

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#26 : June 26, 2010, 06:23:14 AM

I predict Price to be better than McCoy. All I went off of was video but I thought Price was the best DT behind Suh

What I saw in his vids, was a guy that ALWAYS seems to have a forward push. Looked a bit undersized, but used it to his advantage. He may not always get the QB, but he should be a constant disruption. If he can do the same at the NFL level, teams will want to stop him from pushing in, allowing McCoy to do his thing.

I think a time will come that we may all argue the question "Who is better than the other?" (after the season) or "Who really is the backbone?" Because both of them (in most cases) are first round talent.

But I do predict that McCoy will get the win on the sack stat. Among these two, that's all I can be sure of at this point. Price will help with that a great deal though imo.

Perfect way to describe Price.. he is constantly disruptive. He struggles changing direction but he is very strong and there were alot of games at UCLA where he was just unblockable.

From what you know and have seen, can these two be interchanged on different downs?

I think they definitely could, but I would like another perspective.

Something that makes me really excited is that McCoy, Price, and Miller can play on every single down and can play both NT or UT. I'm just as excited to see Miller play with Price as I am to see McCoy with Miller or McCoy with Price. Miller at NT and Price at UT is going to give interior lineman fits.

I think so too, but wouldn't discount McCoy one bit (he's nearly a perfect fit for a T2).

Another question I had was, would they consider MLB blitzes if Price and Miller are in? As disruptive as they could be in the middle, sneeking in a MLB blitz occassionally might prove quite benificial.



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#27 : June 26, 2010, 07:34:38 AM

What i would be more concerned with is how are they going to manage in our heat during the games.  A rotation will be critical during the early part of the season.  But I believe we will be much better this year.  I saw a article on Suh and theres one thing he does not lack confidence.  To the point he seems full of himself. 

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#28 : June 26, 2010, 02:36:55 PM

I dont expect to see Ruud blitz much. Its not a strength in his game and Quincy and Ronde are good blitzers for their position.

Ruud is going to be way better this season, no doubt about that in my mind.

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#29 : June 26, 2010, 04:22:07 PM

I predict Price to be better than McCoy. All I went off of was video but I thought Price was the best DT behind Suh

What I saw in his vids, was a guy that ALWAYS seems to have a forward push. Looked a bit undersized, but used it to his advantage. He may not always get the QB, but he should be a constant disruption. If he can do the same at the NFL level, teams will want to stop him from pushing in, allowing McCoy to do his thing.

I think a time will come that we may all argue the question "Who is better than the other?" (after the season) or "Who really is the backbone?" Because both of them (in most cases) are first round talent.

But I do predict that McCoy will get the win on the sack stat. Among these two, that's all I can be sure of at this point. Price will help with that a great deal though imo.

Perfect way to describe Price.. he is constantly disruptive. He struggles changing direction but he is very strong and there were alot of games at UCLA where he was just unblockable.

From what you know and have seen, can these two be interchanged on different downs?

I think they definitely could, but I would like another perspective.

Something that makes me really excited is that McCoy, Price, and Miller can play on every single down and can play both NT or UT. I'm just as excited to see Miller play with Price as I am to see McCoy with Miller or McCoy with Price. Miller at NT and Price at UT is going to give interior lineman fits.

I think so too, but wouldn't discount McCoy one bit (he's nearly a perfect fit for a T2).

Another question I had was, would they consider MLB blitzes if Price and Miller are in? As disruptive as they could be in the middle, sneeking in a MLB blitz occassionally might prove quite benificial.



Well from accounts of practice so far when they go into a 3-4 they put Hayes in the middle with Ruud. IMO Hayes was the best guy on the team last year in terms blitzing and penetration. And even in the 4-3 T2 set Geno can come in from the weakside NP. Ruud is better in coverage, than he is blitzing. Black , Hayes and even Watson I think are better rushers than Ruud.

I'm really looking forward to the jump Miller is going to make, he can show guys his age the mistakes he made year one.Miller and McCoy are natural leaders. And the talent jump now playing next to Miller just went through the roof compared to last year. Awi is dead-on Ruud is gonna have a good year, back in the T2, he was here ALL off-season, and he is in a TRUE contract year.

Now to mention the penetration that simply has not been seen in front of Ruud, since he was drafted. Miller, McCoy, and Price as far as Talent, work-ethic, and youth are a 27 year old MLB's dream come true Just by fact that one of those guys change a RBs direction in the back-field (Which BTW is Price's absolute specialty. His TFL is stupid for a PASSING conference.Option QBs included.)on any given run plays right into Ruud's hands, he should be one of the good ones to watch this year.   

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