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#15 : June 14, 2010, 05:24:19 PM


 Dominik blew over $40,000,000 in 2009 on other contracts. That's not the total amount of the contracts, just the cash paid in 2009.


That can't be true. The Bucs are cheap, remember? They don't pay anybody. It's funny how people shift the argument both ways just so they can have a reason to rag on the organization.

Opposed to what, defending Dominik's horrible 2009 off-season?

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#16 : June 14, 2010, 05:39:24 PM


 Dominik blew over $40,000,000 in 2009 on other contracts. That's not the total amount of the contracts, just the cash paid in 2009.


That can't be true. The Bucs are cheap, remember? They don't pay anybody. It's funny how people shift the argument both ways just so they can have a reason to rag on the organization.

Oh, but it started off so well....


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#17 : June 14, 2010, 05:40:14 PM


 Dominik blew over $40,000,000 in 2009 on other contracts. That's not the total amount of the contracts, just the cash paid in 2009.


That can't be true. The Bucs are cheap, remember? They don't pay anybody. It's funny how people shift the argument both ways just so they can have a reason to rag on the organization.

Opposed to what, defending Dominik's horrible 2009 off-season?

Kellen Winslow?


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#18 : June 14, 2010, 06:13:25 PM


 Dominik blew over $40,000,000 in 2009 on other contracts. That's not the total amount of the contracts, just the cash paid in 2009.


That can't be true. The Bucs are cheap, remember? They don't pay anybody. It's funny how people shift the argument both ways just so they can have a reason to rag on the organization.

Opposed to what, defending Dominik's horrible 2009 off-season?

Kellen Winslow?

Michael Clayton?
Derrick Ward?
Ryan Sims?
Mike Nugent?
Byron Leftwich?
Angelo Crowell?
Franchising Bryant?

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#19 : June 14, 2010, 06:22:47 PM

You left out Mccown

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#20 : June 14, 2010, 06:55:15 PM


 Dominik blew over $40,000,000 in 2009 on other contracts. That's not the total amount of the contracts, just the cash paid in 2009.


That can't be true. The Bucs are cheap, remember? They don't pay anybody. It's funny how people shift the argument both ways just so they can have a reason to rag on the organization.

Opposed to what, defending Dominik's horrible 2009 off-season?

Kellen Winslow?

Michael Clayton?
Derrick Ward?
Ryan Sims?
Mike Nugent?
Byron Leftwich?
Angelo Crowell?
Franchising Bryant?

So you're saying the Bucs significantly overpaid 8 players last season, yet, it is continually blasted up and down this board that they are too cheap to sign any players. Which is it, folks?

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#21 : June 14, 2010, 11:12:46 PM

If the Bucs brass think he is a solid player, they need to something to keep him.  I guarantee if we don't have a solid O-line, Freeman stands no chance of success, nor does the team.  If they have someone better lined up, great go get 'em.  I don't think they do.

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#22 : June 14, 2010, 11:54:27 PM


 Dominik blew over $40,000,000 in 2009 on other contracts. That's not the total amount of the contracts, just the cash paid in 2009.


That can't be true. The Bucs are cheap, remember? They don't pay anybody. It's funny how people shift the argument both ways just so they can have a reason to rag on the organization.

Opposed to what, defending Dominik's horrible 2009 off-season?

Kellen Winslow?

Michael Clayton?
Derrick Ward?
Ryan Sims?
Mike Nugent?
Byron Leftwich?
Angelo Crowell?
Franchising Bryant?

So you're saying the Bucs significantly overpaid 8 players last season, yet, it is continually blasted up and down this board that they are too cheap to sign any players. Which is it, folks?

I think he has a point. Those were ALL terrible moves. Dominik has done well in the draft......his pro signings went as bad as they could have possibly gone, other than K2 so far....


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#23 : June 15, 2010, 01:22:21 AM


 Dominik blew over $40,000,000 in 2009 on other contracts. That's not the total amount of the contracts, just the cash paid in 2009.


That can't be true. The Bucs are cheap, remember? They don't pay anybody. It's funny how people shift the argument both ways just so they can have a reason to rag on the organization.

Opposed to what, defending Dominik's horrible 2009 off-season?

Kellen Winslow?

Michael Clayton?
Derrick Ward?
Ryan Sims?
Mike Nugent?
Byron Leftwich?
Angelo Crowell?
Franchising Bryant?

So you're saying the Bucs significantly overpaid 8 players last season, yet, it is continually blasted up and down this board that they are too cheap to sign any players. Which is it, folks?

I think he has a point. Those were ALL terrible moves. Dominik has done well in the draft......his pro signings went as bad as they could have possibly gone, other than K2 so far....



Trading McClown and Leftwich for picks, Trading Gaines Adams for virtually Arrelious Benn. I'm willing to overlook some things he did to start off his career as a GM if he keeps wheeling and dealing like this. The Clayton contract was bad, the other FA's listed seem like your run of the mill offseason FA additions.


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#24 : June 15, 2010, 07:14:11 AM


 Dominik blew over $40,000,000 in 2009 on other contracts. That's not the total amount of the contracts, just the cash paid in 2009.


That can't be true. The Bucs are cheap, remember? They don't pay anybody. It's funny how people shift the argument both ways just so they can have a reason to rag on the organization.

Opposed to what, defending Dominik's horrible 2009 off-season?

Kellen Winslow?

Michael Clayton?
Derrick Ward?
Ryan Sims?
Mike Nugent?
Byron Leftwich?
Angelo Crowell?
Franchising Bryant?

So you're saying the Bucs significantly overpaid 8 players last season, yet, it is continually blasted up and down this board that they are too cheap to sign any players. Which is it, folks?

I think he has a point. Those were ALL terrible moves. Dominik has done well in the draft......his pro signings went as bad as they could have possibly gone, other than K2 so far....



Trading McClown and Leftwich for picks, Trading Gaines Adams for virtually Arrelious Benn. I'm willing to overlook some things he did to start off his career as a GM if he keeps wheeling and dealing like this. The Clayton contract was bad, the other FA's listed seem like your run of the mill offseason FA additions.
Overlook what you wish to overlook/accept.  But when folks point out valid issues because they don't wish to be as dismissive - well your view doesn't make them wrong.

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#25 : June 15, 2010, 07:54:15 AM

I think Penn is a good LT, we havent had one who was worth resigning in a while (IMO).  But there must be something done to alleviate the situation so players cannot affect the team in such a profound way.  Maybe set up a mediator separate from the team that can reveiw these contracts so that players who are worth more money gets it fairly.  Im not saying he should recieve top 10 money, but he should recieve compensation for his value, but i do not see him being a big FA if he was allowed to walk.  He would not be on the same level as Peters from the Eagles.

Cut Dominick some slack, it was late in the offseason that he had to make some moves.  Yes many did not pan out but, what can you say when you lose kicker after kicker.  No one knew who our QB was going to be before the draft, and what did anyone expect with JJ as our backup QB?  Whatever.  Last year is a terrible barometer to gauge anyones abilities, because so much did not go right. But there was alot of issues going on with the team that may have created what we saw.

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#26 : June 15, 2010, 11:32:21 AM


 Dominik blew over $40,000,000 in 2009 on other contracts. That's not the total amount of the contracts, just the cash paid in 2009.


That can't be true. The Bucs are cheap, remember? They don't pay anybody. It's funny how people shift the argument both ways just so they can have a reason to rag on the organization.

Opposed to what, defending Dominik's horrible 2009 off-season?

Kellen Winslow?

Michael Clayton?
Derrick Ward?
Ryan Sims?
Mike Nugent?
Byron Leftwich?
Angelo Crowell?
Franchising Bryant?

So you're saying the Bucs significantly overpaid 8 players last season, yet, it is continually blasted up and down this board that they are too cheap to sign any players. Which is it, folks?

Even with all those players we signed where were we in terms of the salary cap?????? The Bucs were forced to sign some players as it is league mandated to reach the salary floor which is exactly where we were at after the signings.

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

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#27 : June 15, 2010, 11:50:48 AM


 Dominik blew over $40,000,000 in 2009 on other contracts. That's not the total amount of the contracts, just the cash paid in 2009.


That can't be true. The Bucs are cheap, remember? They don't pay anybody. It's funny how people shift the argument both ways just so they can have a reason to rag on the organization.

Opposed to what, defending Dominik's horrible 2009 off-season?

Kellen Winslow?

Michael Clayton?
Derrick Ward?
Ryan Sims?
Mike Nugent?
Byron Leftwich?
Angelo Crowell?
Franchising Bryant?

So you're saying the Bucs significantly overpaid 8 players last season, yet, it is continually blasted up and down this board that they are too cheap to sign any players. Which is it, folks?

Even with all those players we signed where were we in terms of the salary cap?????? The Bucs were forced to sign some players as it is league mandated to reach the salary floor which is exactly where we were at after the signings.

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

Exactly. As lousy as most or all of those free agent moves were, they had to pay someone, so it was either  those guys or give Ruud $8M per year to dragged around like a shopping cart, give Penn $9M per to eat more twinkies, or keep Brrooks' broken body on the roster another year. All were losing situations.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#28 : June 15, 2010, 11:58:24 AM


 Dominik blew over $40,000,000 in 2009 on other contracts. That's not the total amount of the contracts, just the cash paid in 2009.


That can't be true. The Bucs are cheap, remember? They don't pay anybody. It's funny how people shift the argument both ways just so they can have a reason to rag on the organization.

Opposed to what, defending Dominik's horrible 2009 off-season?

Kellen Winslow?

Michael Clayton?
Derrick Ward?
Ryan Sims?
Mike Nugent?
Byron Leftwich?
Angelo Crowell?
Franchising Bryant?

So you're saying the Bucs significantly overpaid 8 players last season, yet, it is continually blasted up and down this board that they are too cheap to sign any players. Which is it, folks?

I think he has a point. Those were ALL terrible moves. Dominik has done well in the draft......his pro signings went as bad as they could have possibly gone, other than K2 so far....



Trading McClown and Leftwich for picks, Trading Gaines Adams for virtually Arrelious Benn. I'm willing to overlook some things he did to start off his career as a GM if he keeps wheeling and dealing like this. The Clayton contract was bad, the other FA's listed seem like your run of the mill offseason FA additions.
Overlook what you wish to overlook/accept.  But when folks point out valid issues because they don't wish to be as dismissive - well your view doesn't make them wrong.

Where did I say he was wrong? I gave my opinion that as a rookie GM, I thought Dom progressed throughout the year. Completely owned the Winslow, Adams, Leftwich, and McCown trades. To get anything for Leftwich and McCown is a great trade. As a ROOKIE GM I thought he did better than most seasoned GM's. Again, my opinion. No one is wrong or right.

It's like being pissed at a rookie QB for being terrible. Dom (a rookie GM) in this case actually showed promise for being one of those "rookie QB's" who generally don't show anything.


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#29 : June 15, 2010, 02:33:42 PM

You can hardly blame Bryant's tag and the (minimal) signing of Crowell. You can't predict injuries.
Ward made too much sense at  the time. The other moves, however, blew pretty hard.

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