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#15 : August 03, 2010, 08:13:10 PM

Very interesting read indeed. What would be the solutions to break free from these problems?

Go to the phone book - pick out 535 Americans - you have a Congress.  Vote on individual issues - up or down.

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#16 : August 04, 2010, 12:50:12 AM

Very interesting read indeed. What would be the solutions to break free from these problems?

There'a not really any ... Just hold on tight and work like hell, hoping for when it all settles out, you're one of the ones being overly taxed to pay for the government moochers.

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#17 : August 04, 2010, 04:17:23 PM

WAYNE ALLYN ROOT: Overwhelm the system

Barrack Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.

Barack Obama is my college classmate ( Columbia University , class of '83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward &Piven, two professors at Columbia University . They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival ... and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.

-- Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. Â It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?

-- Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kickback hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama "spread the wealth around."

-- Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who's asking for a 51st state? Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Obama's plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.

-- Legalize 12 million illegal immigrants. Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America . But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security.

-- Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America . The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.

-- Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama). Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition.

With the acts outlined above, Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.

Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama using the Cloward and Piven Plan.

Please forward!

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http://cloward-piven.com/


What about the other 535 other Democrats and Republicans who have to give him the leeway? I for one cannot blame him alone! I blame all those who are up in the WH not just the one Man POTUS...Your Political favorites I bet are just as much to blame also. I am so tired of all you acting like sheep and sticking to your political party. You have 535 representatives up there and One President...When are you going to wake up and start with the others also?...OBD


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#18 : August 04, 2010, 06:39:20 PM

W*y to ignore my post

This topic is about overwhelming the economy in order to bring about radical government change. Your post didn't really address that. But here's a reply anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_poverty
It's an interesting topic; start a new thread.


wow thank you.  great read!


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#19 : August 04, 2010, 06:50:13 PM

It is a neat read - identifying individuals in the same level of poverty who see the positives and seize the opportunity to work for a better future.  Others chose not to, to their own detriment.

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#20 : August 05, 2010, 12:41:59 PM

The Obamatrons will ignore this.

None of the resident Lib-Lefties want to touch this one?

So you fellas understand the plan to bring about systematic failure and have nothing to say about it?  Okeedokee.


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#21 : August 05, 2010, 07:11:19 PM

You guys are nuts, that's why no one has responded.  The fact that Glenn Beck is cited automatically nullifies the piece.  Its not even worth going over.

I mean, seriously, a random comment about Puerto Rico becoming a state?  The same Puerto Rico that has voted multiple times, including during the Bush years, to not become a state.

Essentially the same health care bill that was created by the Republicans in the 90s that is suddenly horrible "ObamaCare" now.

Non-sense about Cap and Trade that has no basis in fact.

You guys are nuts.

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#22 : August 05, 2010, 07:46:37 PM

Essentially the same health care bill that was created by the Republicans in the 90s that is suddenly horrible "ObamaCare" now.

What the heck are you talking about?



Non-sense about Cap and Trade that has no basis in fact.

Link?



You guys are nuts

You guys are nuts.

You're mixing up Liberal plans, that's the Saul Alinsky route.  This thread is about Cloward and Piven wanting to blow up the system.


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#23 : August 05, 2010, 09:33:58 PM

You guys are nuts, that's why no one has responded. The fact that Glenn Beck is cited automatically nullifies the piece. Its not even worth going over.

The huckster who wrote the article should have been warning enough before Weeping Glenn was cited ...


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#24 : August 05, 2010, 09:39:01 PM

Is that how it is now done - doesn't matter if it is right or wrong - just who had input?  LOL

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#25 : August 05, 2010, 09:42:38 PM

Is that how it is now done - doesn't matter if it is right or wrong - just who had input?  LOL

Mr. Alinsky's tactics, yet again, by the Liberals.

It would be nice if someone could address the issues with some substance.


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#26 : August 05, 2010, 09:43:32 PM

Is that how it is now done - doesn't matter if it is right or wrong - just who had input?  LOL

It is loose on facts and this is supported by including someone who is known to be loose on facts.  It isn't hard to understand why the entire piece has no merit.

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#27 : August 05, 2010, 09:45:00 PM

Is that how it is now done - doesn't matter if it is right or wrong - just who had input?  LOL

Mr. Alinsky's tactics, yet again, by the Liberals.

It would be nice if someone could address the issues with some substance.

It was already addressed by me further above.  To address something with substance, those things must themselves have substance.  The Puerto Rico portion of it being the single most laughable part of the whole piece.  It has nothing to do with anything.

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#28 : August 05, 2010, 09:51:33 PM

It is loose on facts and this is supported by including someone who is known to be loose on facts. It isn't hard to understand why the entire piece has no merit.

If that's true, it should be easy for you knock this one out of the ballpark.  Yet, you're struggling.



It was already addressed by me further above.  To address something with substance, those things must themselves have substance.

If the "essentially the same health care plan" and "non-sense about Cap and Trade" garbage what you call substance, then you might as well bow out now.



The Puerto Rico portion of it being the single most laughable part of the whole piece.  It has nothing to do with anything.

I agree that the Puerto Rico part is insignificant in the grand scheme of things.  Now go ahead and address how Obamacare, Cap and Trade, Stimulus, etc.. are NOT going to bankrupt the system.


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#29 : August 05, 2010, 09:55:58 PM

A half dozen topics listed, and you pick out Glen Beck mention... a couple of baseless comments - and viola - all is good.  You're right - this shouldn't be discussed.  

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