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#15 : August 19, 2010, 02:05:12 PM

Kind of conveniant  with our war in Iraq "done"

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#16 : August 19, 2010, 11:34:56 PM

The Israelis have acted on their own before.  Remember how Mossad destroyed a nuclear project that Iraq had going on in the '80s with their commandos?  Love them or hate them for religion or politics but the Israelis do know how to protect themselves and can gauge whether certain allies like the US and UK will back them and proceed accordingly....   

half right. the reactor was in Osirak and it was destroyed via an air strike although the formidable Mossad did a ton of prep work.

Israel also destroyed a north korean supplied reactor in Syria in 2007. It was hardly covered but it was very interesting because the Syrians got taken completely by surprise despite having fairly recent SAM and radar tech from Russia. This showed that Israel has possibly gotten access to fairly sophisticated stealth technology.

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#17 : August 19, 2010, 11:56:32 PM

They fly F-15's and F-16's, so no stealth tech. - just good flying and shooting.

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#18 : August 20, 2010, 12:11:13 AM

They fly F-15's and F-16's, so no stealth tech. - just good flying and shooting.
not completely true. for instance we sell F-15s to the Saudis, Argentina, Colombia, etc but they don't fly the same ones as we do. We don't give them a lot of our technological bells and whistles for obvious reasons. However Israel it seems may have been given better technology platforms for their fighters than most of our other customers.

and they do have a superior air force to most countries but from what i read the syrians didn't even know they were there until it was all over but the crying and that shouldn't happen with generic F-15s vs recent SAM technology.

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#19 : August 20, 2010, 12:16:22 AM

Those are the planes they flew - and they are no more stealthy than anyone else's - so its completely true, they know how to fly against the enemy's tactics. What technology "platform" makes an F-16 invisible on radar?

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#20 : August 20, 2010, 12:18:08 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-08-18/al-qaeda-plans-for-war-with-israel/

to stratobuc, they don't have any of the coatings or body styles that can absorb radar waves but there are a ton of electronic jammers and other sweet toys that our planes have to defeat radar.

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#21 : August 20, 2010, 12:20:26 AM

As soon as you turn on the jammer - the enemy knows you are there. They probably just flew in under the radar, just as they did against the Iraqis.

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#22 : August 20, 2010, 12:23:28 AM

As soon as you turn on the jammer - the enemy knows you are there. They probably just flew in under the radar, just as they did against the Iraqis.
i suppose that is possible. but even if the enemy knows you are in the vicinity if the jamming works as it is supposed to they are still relatively blind as to your location.

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#23 : August 20, 2010, 12:24:53 AM

The point being - this technology is readily available to any country that can afford it. Go Israel!

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#24 : August 20, 2010, 12:41:53 AM

Israel to purchase 20 F-35 stealth fighters for $2.75 billion

16 August 2010

Israeli defence minister Ehud Barak has cleared a controversial proposal for the purchase of American F-35 stealth fighter jets, which will once again up the ante in this conflict-prone region as these fighters are designed to act as substantial force multipliers. Israel will now contract for 20 of these fighters at a cost of around $2.75 billion, with first deliveries expected to be made in 2015.

The F-35 Lightning II, also known as the Joint Strike Fighter, is manufactured by global aerospace and defence giant Lockheed Martin Corp. Lockheed is also the manufacturer of the world's only fully operational stealth fighter, the US Air Force's F-22 Raptor.

The Israeli option for the purchase of the F-35 Lightning II turned controversial as the Israelis, with a substantially advanced aerospace and defence industry of their own insisted on modifications being made to these aircraft allowing them to carry Israeli-designed sensors and armaments. The demand was turned down by American authorities who made it clear that such an option would not be made available to the Israelis.

After a considerable period of eyeballing it would now appear that some kind of a compromise would have been worked out between the two sides.

The Americans are desperate to increase the size of their potential customers in a bid to increase the number of units on order and in the process bring down per unit costs of the aircraft.

In recessionary times the Israeli Air Force will have to settle for a much smaller number of such aircraft than originally planned. It is not clear how many but it would be certainly much less than the 75 planned.

The entire deal will be funded by American military aid.

"The F-35 is the fighter plane of the future that will allow Israel to maintain its aerial superiority and its technological advantage in the region," Barak said. "The F-35 will give the IAF better capabilities, both near and far, to help strengthen Israel's national security."

It is being given to understand that Barak and defence ministry director-general Udi Shani may have wrangled a deal with the Americans two weeks ago under which Israel would start off by first buying a squadron of 20 F-35 jets from the first production series. These would be equipped with only a few Israel-made systems.

If the Israelis increase the size of their order then the Americans may be amenable for the installation of more Israeli-made systems.

A further sweetener would be an agreement under which main contractor Lockheed Martin would buy parts and systems worth $4 billion for the stealth fighter from Israeli companies.

Simple calculations indicate that the first lot of 20 fighters may cost the Israelis about $96 million apiece excluding costs of training, simulators, spare parts and construction of maintenance infrastructure.

Stealth aircraft are designed to dodge radar defences and allow pre-emptive strikes against enemy formations equipped with advanced air defence systems.

Such capabilities make theses fighters formidable force multipliers.

http://www.domain-b.com/aero/mil_avi/mil_aircraft/20100816_stealth_fighters.html




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#25 : August 20, 2010, 12:48:24 AM

Lets hope they handle Iran by themselves.

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#26 : August 20, 2010, 01:21:54 AM

"...with first deliveries expected to be made in 2015."

Israel won't be the only country purchasing F-35's. They don't have any now, nor do they have any of our other stealthy attack planes.

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#27 : August 20, 2010, 01:26:17 AM

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#28 : August 20, 2010, 01:30:11 AM

The F-15 is more than capable of destroying any target. With over 100 aerial victories, none have ever been brought down by enemy fire.

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#29 : August 20, 2010, 01:36:59 AM

The F-15 is more than capable of destroying any target. With over 100 aerial victories, none have ever been brought down by enemy fire.

They have never been in a very fair fight either. Of course in real life you don't want fair, but those 100 aerial victories include a lot of poorly trained pilots and Vietnam era aircraft as well as special assistance from an AWACS where the F-15 never even saw the target, they just fired riding the AWACs radar beams. Impressive stuff really and the F-15 is a bad ass. But put it 1v1 against modern Soviet aircraft with equal pilots, and the F-15 is not as impressive.

The F-15 has reached it's maximum potential and a new aircraft is needed. (Raptor or Lightning)

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