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« #30 : August 24, 2010, 01:47:06 AM »

Well, we shall see exactly what Obama calls it as he is setting up a grand old affair just to announce it August 31st.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/08/23/obama-plans-major-speech-on-iraq-aug-31-to-mark-troop-drawdown/

Then we can fight over adverbs and adjectives. But the point is, he and the democrats are trying to say they finally won the Iraq war. What they are not saying is they did it the way Bush set it up. All they did was follow the plans Bush had in place and are now trying to take credit for it. Biden himself decried the surge as wrong and wanted to break Iraq up into three separate states. Now he says how well his (The democrats) surge plan worked lol

The whole thing is a political mess. Bush too never should have declared victory like that. But will history repeat itself and burn Obama like it did Bush?
then there was harry and his little "reed" saying "this war is lost" back in '06.

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« #31 : August 24, 2010, 02:16:01 AM »

Hey look what I found. The facebook page of the 4th Brigade Combat Team, the exact same unit that was part of the 3rd Infantry Division. You know, that division that aided and assisted it's way to Baghdad at the start of the war. Or how about the fact that 3 of the 4 3rd ID brigades are in Iraq right now and classified as Aid and Assist. So the very same troops that invaded and destroyed the Iraqi Army, is now a non combat unit. OK gotcha.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/4th-Brigade-3rd-Infantry-Division/143298474922

These men and women are combat troops plain and simple. To call them anything else is a slap in the face. I don't care what you call the mission, but the troops are combat troops.

Which response do we get this time? Butthurt? Needs medical treatment? Or the all time favorite, \"Drama Queen\"

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« #32 : August 24, 2010, 08:05:21 AM »

27,000 still in South Korea.
57,000 still in Germany.
Almost 10,000 in England.
Almost 10,000 in Italy. 
32,000 in Japan. 

The world's military!!
and every time we try to close a base or draw down they whine and complain because a) they love the implicit guarantee of protection that an american base gives a country b) it injects a lot of money into their economies.

Lol! as if, over here in the UK the american bases mainly stick to themselves, they have thier own facilities and tend to use them over the local ones. Therefore there is not much of an economic impact. What these bases are for is early warning/first strike for the US. Sure we get something out of it but the main reason why you have bases here is for quick deployment for your own safety. This has become even more so since the break up of the eastern block.

You'll also find that there are a number of joint stations that are run by the UK and US military since we are allies. These bases are on British soil but not actually in Britain, Ascenion Island and Diego Garcia being the main 2.


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« #33 : August 24, 2010, 09:40:51 AM »

Lol! as if, over here in the UK the american bases mainly stick to themselves, they have thier own facilities and tend to use them over the local ones. Therefore there is not much of an economic impact.

Yeah, young men with disposable income rarely ever leave base. Sounds perfectly plausible.

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« #34 : August 24, 2010, 11:38:56 AM »

27,000 still in South Korea.
57,000 still in Germany.
Almost 10,000 in England.
Almost 10,000 in Italy.
32,000 in Japan.

The world's military!!
and every time we try to close a base or draw down they whine and complain because a) they love the implicit guarantee of protection that an american base gives a country b) it injects a lot of money into their economies.

Lol! as if, over here in the UK the american bases mainly stick to themselves, they have thier own facilities and tend to use them over the local ones. Therefore there is not much of an economic impact. What these bases are for is early warning/first strike for the US. Sure we get something out of it but the main reason why you have bases here is for quick deployment for your own safety. This has become even more so since the break up of the eastern block.

You'll also find that there are a number of joint stations that are run by the UK and US military since we are allies. These bases are on British soil but not actually in Britain, Ascenion Island and Diego Garcia being the main 2.



Fool.......Without American help you'd be waving a Nazi flag over your tidbit of a landscape.......But go ahead, kick us in the butt and show no gratitude. Maybe you might visit the graveyard at Normandy and see how many Americans died to save your arse.

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« #35 : August 24, 2010, 12:09:50 PM »

Hey look what I found. The facebook page of the 4th Brigade Combat Team, the exact same unit that was part of the 3rd Infantry Division. You know, that division that aided and assisted it's way to Baghdad at the start of the war. Or how about the fact that 3 of the 4 3rd ID brigades are in Iraq right now and classified as Aid and Assist. So the very same troops that invaded and destroyed the Iraqi Army, is now a non combat unit. OK gotcha.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/4th-Brigade-3rd-Infantry-Division/143298474922

These men and women are combat troops plain and simple. To call them anything else is a slap in the face. I don't care what you call the mission, but the troops are combat troops.

Not sure why you bothered with that. Did you even bother to read Fitz's link up there? It pretty much explained what's going on .... If it will unwad your panties, can we call them combat troops no longer on combat missions?

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« #36 : August 24, 2010, 12:32:56 PM »

Not sure why you bothered with that. Did you even bother to read Fitz's link up there? It pretty much explained what's going on .... If it will unwad your panties, can we call them combat troops no longer on combat missions?

Because you were the Mary Jane who countered Fitz and the others, specifically using italics to emphasize that there were no longer and Combat brigades in Iraq.

why is this so hard for some to grasp? There are no more Combat Brigades left, per the US Army.


And yes you can call them combat troops (since that is what they are) not on combat missions but it's a shame the President and media is not. Just check 99% of the headlines and 99% of the political speeches, they all say only support troops are left.

As for the actual missions, the US soldiers are no longer in the lead, but US troops still accompany IA and back them up as needed. From armor, to helos to actual troops on the ground.


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« #37 : August 24, 2010, 01:19:35 PM »

Not sure why you bothered with that. Did you even bother to read Fitz's link up there? It pretty much explained what's going on .... If it will unwad your panties, can we call them combat troops no longer on combat missions?

Because you were the Mary Jane who countered Fitz and the others, specifically using italics to emphasize that there were no longer and Combat brigades in Iraq

LOL .... I didn't counter Fitz ... Hell, his article was very informative and the basis for what I was saying ... From the article:

As the final convoy of the Army’s 4th Stryker Brigade Combat Team, based at Fort Lewis, Wash., entered Kuwait early Thursday, a different Stryker brigade remained in Iraq.

Soldiers from the 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division are deployed in Iraq as members of an Advise and Assist Brigade, the Army’s designation for brigades selected to conduct security force assistance.
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And yes you can call them combat troops (since that is what they are) not on combat missions but it's a shame the President and media is not. Just check 99% of the headlines and 99% of the political speeches, they all say only support troops are left.

As for the actual missions, the US soldiers are no longer in the lead, but US troops still accompany IA and back them up as needed. From armor, to helos to actual troops on the ground.

That description sure as hell sounds like support troop duties so, again, we're talking about semantics .... Instead of saying "only support troops left", they should be saying "only troops in support" are left ... Jesus. Bottom line is that we've transferred all, or the bulk, of the combat responsibilities to the Iraqis.

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« #38 : August 24, 2010, 01:36:04 PM »

You see klink, it just goes to show how  mis-informed you really are. There was no special transformation of any responsibilities or anything. The only thing that happened was the 4th BCT left Iraq and the White House made a big deal about announcing all combat troops have left Iraq. US troops have not been the lead force in operations in Iraq for a long time now. There was nothing magical about this troops movement. US troops are still in combat in Iraq.


What you fail to understand, that despite any real change in anything, Obama and company are trying to maximize political gain from it. It is the only thing positive the Democrats can claim to have achieved. It is a pure 100% political ploy.

BTW support troops and troops in support, two very different things. Maybe one day your daddy can explain it to you.

I just love it when people who are so clueless about the military try and correct people who have actually lived it.

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« #39 : August 24, 2010, 02:43:25 PM »

You see klink, it just goes to show how mis-informed you really are. There was no special transformation of any responsibilities or anything. The only thing that happened was the 4th BCT left Iraq and the White House made a big deal about announcing all combat troops have left Iraq. US troops have not been the lead force in operations in Iraq for a long time now. There was nothing magical about this troops movement. US troops are still in combat in Iraq.


What you fail to understand, that despite any real change in anything, Obama and company are trying to maximize political gain from it. It is the only thing positive the Democrats can claim to have achieved. It is a pure 100% political ploy.

BTW support troops and troops in support, two very different things. Maybe one day your daddy can explain it to you.

I just love it when people who are so clueless about the military try and correct people who have actually lived it.

LOL ... Okay, General. I'm gleaning information off of an Army Times site but YOU know better ... and BTW, support troops and troops in support can be two very different things but they can also mean the same thing .... Bottom line, AGAIN, is that whether you want to call them combat troops or wombat troops, they are no longer leading the combat operations over there ... haven't been for a while, according to you ... and the exit of the last currently designated combat brigade is symbolic of that. Does that mean no more American military deaths over there? Would be nice but that won't happen until they're ALL gone .... And is the current administration going to milk it for all they've got? Of course, that's what ALL politicians do ... and Lord knows Obama wnats to be able to say he's keeping at least one of his campaign promises.

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« #40 : August 24, 2010, 03:02:15 PM »

hey ship wreck, you do know that the Army times is not published by the Army right? The Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corp, Air Force Times or Military Times are 100% civilian publications with no special access or privileges to the military.  It is owned by the same company that owns USA Today newspaper, The Arizona Republic , The Indianapolis Star, The Cincinnati Enquirer, The Tennessean in Nashville, The Courier-Journal in Louisville, The Des Moines Register, The Honolulu Advertiser, the Detroit Free Press and The News-Press in Fort Myers and they also own 23 television stations. But I guess someone with no real life military experience of their own would know that.


And yes, I tend to trust my personal experiences and the current correspondence from troops in Iraq today over some pimple faced kid reporters. The Email I got just a few hours ago from my buddy in Iraq telling me he just got back from a combat patrol is 1000 times more credible than you. I sent him the link about no more combat troops in Iraq. He and his troopers got a good laugh out of that.

Keep thinking what you want to think. Keep calling it what you want to call it. The plain fact is, US troops are still in combat in Iraq and will continue to be so until that damn government finally solidifies itself. Just like the "advisers" in Vietnam, these men and women are combat troops and in combat.


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« #41 : August 24, 2010, 03:11:55 PM »

and Lord knows Obama wnats to be able to say he's keeping at least one of his campaign promises.

Whoops, his campaign promise was all troops out by 31 March 2009.

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« #42 : August 18, 2010, 09:53:45 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq_americans_head_home

Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

AP – In this Aug. 16, 2010 photo, U.S. Army Staff Sgt. Jackie Vanover, from Spanaway, Wash. holds a hand-made …

By REBECCA SANTANA, Associated Press Writer – 22 mins ago

KHABARI CROSSING, Kuwait – As their convoy reached the barbed wire at the border crossing out of Iraq on Wednesday, the soldiers whooped and cheered. Then they scrambled out of their stifling hot armored vehicles, unfurled an American flag and posed for group photos.
For these troops of the 4th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, it was a moment of relief fraught with symbolism. Seven years and five months after the U.S.-led invasion, the last American combat brigade was leaving Iraq, well ahead of President Barack Obama's Aug. 31 deadline for ending U.S. combat operations there.
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EDITOR'S NOTE: The 4th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division was officially designated the last combat brigade to leave Iraq under Obama's plan to end combat operations in Iraq by Aug. 31. Associated Press writer Rebecca Santana joined the troops on their final journey out of the country.
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When 18-year-old Spc. Luke Dill first rolled into Iraq as part of the U.S. invasion, his Humvee was so vulnerable to bombs that the troops lined its floor with flak jackets.
Now 25 and a staff sergeant after two tours of duty, he rode out of Iraq this week in a Stryker, an eight-wheeled behemoth encrusted with armor and add-ons to ward off grenades and other projectiles.
"It's something I'm going to be proud of for the rest of my life β€” the fact that I came in on the initial push and now I'm leaving with the last of the combat units," he said.
He remembered three straight days of mortar attacks outside the city of Najaf in 2003, so noisy that after the firing ended, the silence kept him awake at nights. He recalled the night skies over the northern city of Mosul being lit up by tracer bullets from almost every direction.
Now, waiting for him back in Olympia, Wash., is the "Big Boy" Harley-Davidson he purchased from one of the motorcycle company's dealerships at U.S. bases in Iraq β€” a vivid illustration of how embedded the American presence has become since the invasion of March 20, 2003.
That presence is far from over. Scatterings of combat troops still await departure, and some 50,000 will stay another year in what is designated as a noncombat role. They will carry weapons to defend themselves and accompany Iraqi troops on missions (but only if asked). Special forces will continue to help Iraqis hunt for terrorists.
So the U.S. death toll β€” at least 4,415 by Pentagon count as of Wednesday β€” may not yet be final.
The Stryker brigade, based in Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington state and named for the vehicle that delivers troops into and out of battle, has lost 34 troops in Iraq. It was at the forefront of many of the fiercest battles, including operations in eastern Baghdad and Diyala province, an epicenter of the insurgency, during "the surge" of 2007. It evacuated troops at the battle of Tarmiyah, an outpost where 28 out of 34 soldiers were wounded holding off insurgents.
Before the Aug. 31 deadline, about half the brigade's 4,000 soldiers flew out like most of the others leaving Iraq, but its leadership volunteered to have the remainder depart overland. That decision allowed the unit to keep 360 Strykers in the country for an extra three weeks.
U.S. commanders say it was the brigade's idea, not an order from on high. The intent was to keep additional firepower handy through the "period of angst" that followed Iraq's inconclusive March 7 election, said brigade chief, Col. John Norris.
It took months of preparation to move the troops and armor across more than 500 kilometers (300 miles) of desert highway through potentially hostile territory.
The Strykers left the Baghdad area in separate convoys over a four-day period, traveling at night because the U.S.-Iraq security pact β€” and security worries β€” limit troop movements by day.
Along the way, phalanxes of American military Humvees sat at overpasses, soldiers patrolled the highways for roadside bombs, and Apache attack helicopters circled overhead as the Strykers refueled alongside the highway.
Chief Warrant Officer 3 Gus McKinney, a brigade intelligence officer, acknowledged that moving the convoys overland put soldiers at risk, but said the danger was less than in past.
The biggest threat was roadside bombs planted by Shiite extremist groups who have a strong foothold in the south, McKinney said.
But except for camels straying into the road, and breakdowns that required some vehicles to be towed, there were no incidents.
The worst of the ride was conditions inside the Strykers β€” sitting for hours in a cramped space β€” and the temperatures outside that reached 50 Celsius (120 Fahrenheit).
The driver's compartment is called the "hellhole" because it sits over the engine and becomes almost unbearably hot. The vehicle commander and gunner can sit up in hatches to see the outside world. At the tail end are hatches for two gunners. Eight passengers β€” an infantry squad in combat conditions β€” can squeeze in the back.
Riding as a passenger felt a bit like being in a World War II-era submarine β€” a tight fit and no windows. The air conditioning was switched off to save fuel on the long ride south to Kuwait. Men dozed or listened to music on earphones.
When the convoy finally reached the sandy border, two soldiers, armed and helmeted, jumped off their vehicle and raced each other into Kuwait.
Once out of Iraq, there was still work to be done. Vehicles had to be stripped of ammunition and spare tires, and eventually washed and packed for shipment home.
Meanwhile, to the north, insurgents kept up a relentless campaign against the country's institutions and security forces, killing five Iraqi government employees in roadside bombings and other attacks Wednesday. Coming a day after a suicide bomber killed 61 army recruits in central Baghdad, the latest violence highlighted the shaky reality left by the departing U.S. combat force and five months of stalemate over forming Iraq's next government.
For Dill, who reached Kuwait with an earlier convoy, the withdrawal engendered feelings of relief. His mission β€” to get his squad safely out of Iraq β€” was accomplished.
Standing alongside a hulking Stryker, his shirt stained with sweat, he acknowledged the men who weren't there to experience the day with him.
"I know that to my brothers in arms who fought and died, this day would probably mean a lot, to finally see us getting out of here," he said.


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« #43 : August 18, 2010, 10:34:07 PM »

i'm sure the same was said in 1953/54 when the US ended the military action vs North korea, we are still there on the 38th parallel in a manner, why should Iraq be any different?

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« #44 : August 18, 2010, 10:58:07 PM »

27,000 still in South Korea.
57,000 still in Germany.
Almost 10,000 in England.
Almost 10,000 in Italy. 
32,000 in Japan. 

The world's military!!

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