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#15 : October 08, 2010, 08:36:22 AM

It's funny that someone called Tupac a prophet and someone else posted a photo of Manson  in the same thread.  I find them both to be very similar.  Manson, encouraged people to kill much like Tupac.  Dontae Morris loved him some Tupac.  

You'll get smacked behind the hill with my phone on my pager
It's beepin while I cut you with my razor
I'm not violent, I'm petrified and nervous
I got no mercy for these **CENSORED**z tryin to serve us
But if you catch me outta pocket, then I'm got
You love to shoot a **CENSORED** but you scared to pop a cop


I'll be makin straight dome calls
Touch the button on the wall, you'll be pickin up your own balls
I can still hear my mother shout..
"Hit the pig **CENSORED**, break your bigger brother out"
I got a message for the warden
I'm comin for ya ass, as fast as Flash Gorden
We get surrounded in the mess hall, yes y'all
A crazy mother**CENSORED**er makin death calls


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#16 : October 08, 2010, 08:47:29 AM

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I can't wait until around 4:30 PM Sunday.  I'm giddy with excitement to see what the new excuses will be.


Not enough Tupac at halftime?

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#17 : October 08, 2010, 08:54:58 AM

Well, that's 3 minutes of my life I'll never get back.


And yeah - someone said it.   I cannot be bothered to post on here much anymore...  the dumbass quotient has definitely gone up around here lately.

I can deal with stupid, but stupid on purpose is a completely different animal.

Who knew how good it would feel as a fan when we now know what it\'s like for our team to have a direction, an attitude, and dare I say an offense?.  

Good time to be a Bucs fan.

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#18 : October 08, 2010, 09:01:48 AM

Totally agree brother.


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#19 : October 08, 2010, 09:01:59 AM

So I guess you anti Tupac folks find Johnny Cash to be a thug as well and everyone who listened and liked him must be thugs as well?

"I shot a man in Reno,

Just to watch him die."

or

"If I hadn't a shot poor Delia I'd a had her for my wife."

And with the first pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Teddy Bridgewater, Quarterback, Louisville.

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#20 : October 08, 2010, 09:21:43 AM

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Raheem wants this team to be a bunch of criminals.  He was asked yesterday about the Bucs recent success on the road and this was what he came up with:

"I think we kind of like the adversity a little bit. They kind of thrive on the boos. They kind of thrive on the middle fingers, you know, rolling into the stadium.  You know, they kinda get a little bit of energy of just being angry because everybody hates them.  They kind of thrive on it a bit, that negativity, or that us-against-the-world mentality because they are kind of a young football team and we all listened to Tupac [Shakur] growing up.

How stupid.  Why would he even mention that thug rapist.  He is the worst thing this country has probably ever produced.  For an NFL coach to promote that  seems very unprofessional.  And what does adversity have to do with winning on the road.  I learned playing sports when I was younger and even from playing softball recently that you win because you are prepared and mentally tough.  This stuff Raheem talks about is nonsense.


Talk about a stretch.

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I can't wait until around 4:30 PM Sunday. I'm giddy with excitement to see what the new excuses will be.


Talk about a true fan right here.  This guy would rather see the bucs lose just so he can wag his finger around rather than see the bucs win and eat a bowl of crow...its pathetic.

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#21 : October 08, 2010, 09:22:52 AM

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So I guess you anti Tupac folks find Johnny Cash to be a thug as well and everyone who listened and liked him must be thugs as well?

"I shot a man in Reno,

Just to watch him die."

or

"If I hadn't a shot poor Delia I'd a had her for my wife."


LMAO....yeah, play that at halftime.

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#22 : October 08, 2010, 09:35:02 AM

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Some here view it as a gang. I prefer to view it as a family.


These exact same things were said about this man and his "family" more than once.  

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Yeah, right, and in the same vein there's the notorious Brady Bunch and,of course, the infamous Osmond Family.

The motivation and objective are hardly relatable.

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#23 : October 08, 2010, 09:37:32 AM

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S.A.N.T.A.N.A. wrote:
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tupac was music's last great prophet. he had a purpose on why he was here, you sadly didn't comprehend it. there's a lot to take from his life



http://www.metrolyrics.com/me-against-the-world-lyrics-2pac.html


Wasn't that supposedly his greatest lyrics?    Sounds like a thug to me.   I can't relate to that crap at all.


Greatest lyrics...  No.  Some of you anti rap people really come off sounding uninformed and (really don't want to go here but...) kindof bigoted.  Tupac is rememberd for talking about Life in the projects and the struggle to get out, do right(by the standards he grew up with) and survive.  He was very inteligent and actually made an effort to say something and change things for the better.  Violence is prevelent in much of his lyrics but holding that up as one of his best?  No thats incorrect and crazytalk.  

Read the lyrics to "Dear Mama" think about everything you've all said about this man and wait until Raheem talks fondly of a real thug.

Quote from: lyrics
You are appreciated...

When I was young, me and my mama had beef
17 years old kicked out on tha streets
though back in tha time, I never thought I'd see her face
ain't a woman alive that can take my momma's place
suspended from school, scared ta go home
I was a fool with the big boys breaking all tha rules
shed tears with my baby sister
over the years we was poorer than tha other little kids
and even though we had different daddies
tha same drama when things went wrong we blamed mama
I reminised on tha stress I caused, it wuz hell
hugg'en on my mama from a jail cell
and who'ed think in elementary, heeeey i'd see tha penitentiary
One day
running from tha Police, that's right
Momma catch me--put a whoop'en to my backside
and even as a crack fiend mama,
ya always was a black queen mama
I finally understand for a woman
it ain't easy--trying ta raise a man
ya always wuz commited, a poor single mother on welfare,
tell me how ya did it
there's no way I can pay ya back
but tha plan is ta show ya that I understand.
you are appreciated......

Ain't nobody tell us it wuz fair
no luv for my daddy, cause tha coward wuzn't there
he passed away and I didn't cry
cause my anger, wouldn't let me feel for a stranger
they say i'm wrong and i'm heartless
but all along I wuz looking for a father--he wuz gone
I hung around with tha thug's and even though they sold drugs
they showed a young brother luv
I moved out and started really hang'in
I needed money of my own so I started slang'in
I ain't guilty cause, even though I sell rocks
It feels good, putting money in your mailbox
I love paying rent when tha rents due
I hope ya got the diamond necklace that I sent to you
cause when I waz low, you was there for me
ya never left me alone, cause ya cared for me
and I can see ya coming home after work late
ya in tha kitchen trying ta fix us a hot plate
just working with tha scraps you wuz given
and mama made miracles every Thanksgiving
but now the road got rough, your alone
trying ta raise two bad kids on your own
and there's no way I can pay ya back
but my plan is ta show ya that I understand
you are appreciated.....

pour out some liquor and I remenise
cause through tha drama, I can always depend on my mama
and when it seems that i'm hopeless
you say the words that can get me back in focus
when I waz sick as a little kid
ta keep me happy theres no limit to the things you did
and all my childhood memories
are full of all the sweet things ya did for me
and even though I act craaaazy
I got ta thank the Lord that ya maaaade me
There are no words that can express how I feel
You never kept a secret, always stayed real
and I appreciate how ya raised me
and all tha extra love that you gave me
I wish I could take the pain away
If you can make it through the night, there's a brighter day
everything'll be alright if ya hold on
it's a struggle
everyday gotta roll on
and there's no way I can pay ya back
but my plan is ta show ya that I understand
you are appreciated.......


In this world there is real social injustice and to push that aside without thought is yet another injustice.  I doubt anyone in this thread has ever had to grow up in circumstances like that.  I don't listen to rap, there are a very few artists I've ever been able to tolerate because I'm not from that.  Hearing this song as a young man brought a tear to my eye.  

It is the height of stupidity to make fun of, or look down on a person for relating to Tupac Shakur  If they came from anywhere like that and made it out, thats what its about.

EDIT: Also, most of the thug stuff he talked about was in his young life.  He still made some bad choices after but the point of almost all of what he had to say is that there is hope.

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#24 : October 08, 2010, 09:45:06 AM

jbear wrote:
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Bandot wrote:
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S.A.N.T.A.N.A. wrote:
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tupac was music's last great prophet. he had a purpose on why he was here, you sadly didn't comprehend it. there's a lot to take from his life



http://www.metrolyrics.com/me-against-the-world-lyrics-2pac.html


Wasn't that supposedly his greatest lyrics?    Sounds like a thug to me.   I can't relate to that crap at all.


Greatest lyrics...  No.  Some of you anti rap people really come off sounding uninformed and (really don't want to go here but...) kindof bigoted.  Tupac is rememberd for talking about Life in the projects and the struggle to get out, do right(by the standards he grew up with) and survive.  He was very inteligent and actually made an effort to say something and change things for the better.  Violence is prevelent in much of his lyrics but holding that up as one of his best?  No thats incorrect and crazytalk.  

Read the lyrics to "Dear Mama" think about everything you've all said about this man and wait until Raheem talks fondly of a real thug.

Quote from: lyrics
You are appreciated...

When I was young, me and my mama had beef
17 years old kicked out on tha streets
though back in tha time, I never thought I'd see her face
ain't a woman alive that can take my momma's place
suspended from school, scared ta go home
I was a fool with the big boys breaking all tha rules
shed tears with my baby sister
over the years we was poorer than tha other little kids
and even though we had different daddies
tha same drama when things went wrong we blamed mama
I reminised on tha stress I caused, it wuz hell
hugg'en on my mama from a jail cell
and who'ed think in elementary, heeeey i'd see tha penitentiary
One day
running from tha Police, that's right
Momma catch me--put a whoop'en to my backside
and even as a crack fiend mama,
ya always was a black queen mama
I finally understand for a woman
it ain't easy--trying ta raise a man
ya always wuz commited, a poor single mother on welfare,
tell me how ya did it
there's no way I can pay ya back
but tha plan is ta show ya that I understand.
you are appreciated......

Ain't nobody tell us it wuz fair
no luv for my daddy, cause tha coward wuzn't there
he passed away and I didn't cry
cause my anger, wouldn't let me feel for a stranger
they say i'm wrong and i'm heartless
but all along I wuz looking for a father--he wuz gone
I hung around with tha thug's and even though they sold drugs
they showed a young brother luv
I moved out and started really hang'in
I needed money of my own so I started slang'in
I ain't guilty cause, even though I sell rocks
It feels good, putting money in your mailbox
I love paying rent when tha rents due
I hope ya got the diamond necklace that I sent to you
cause when I waz low, you was there for me
ya never left me alone, cause ya cared for me
and I can see ya coming home after work late
ya in tha kitchen trying ta fix us a hot plate
just working with tha scraps you wuz given
and mama made miracles every Thanksgiving
but now the road got rough, your alone
trying ta raise two bad kids on your own
and there's no way I can pay ya back
but my plan is ta show ya that I understand
you are appreciated.....

pour out some liquor and I remenise
cause through tha drama, I can always depend on my mama
and when it seems that i'm hopeless
you say the words that can get me back in focus
when I waz sick as a little kid
ta keep me happy theres no limit to the things you did
and all my childhood memories
are full of all the sweet things ya did for me
and even though I act craaaazy
I got ta thank the Lord that ya maaaade me
There are no words that can express how I feel
You never kept a secret, always stayed real
and I appreciate how ya raised me
and all tha extra love that you gave me
I wish I could take the pain away
If you can make it through the night, there's a brighter day
everything'll be alright if ya hold on
it's a struggle
everyday gotta roll on
and there's no way I can pay ya back
but my plan is ta show ya that I understand
you are appreciated.......


In this world there is real social injustice and to push that aside without thought is yet another injustice.  I doubt anyone in this thread has ever had to grow up in circumstances like that.  I don't listen to rap, there are a very few artists I've ever been able to tolerate because I'm not from that.  Hearing this song as a young man brought a tear to my eye.  

It is the height of stupidity to make fun of, or look down on a person for relating to Tupac Shakur  If they came from anywhere like that and made it out, thats what its about.

EDIT: Also, most of the thug stuff he talked about was in his young life.  He still made some bad choices after but the point of almost all of what he had to say is that there is hope.


But in the end.....he never actually made it out....did he jbear?

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#25 : October 08, 2010, 10:02:40 AM

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But in the end.....he never actually made it out....did he jbear?


It doesn't change the message.  Other rappers glorified thug life, Tupac talked about it honestly.  

I'd actually say he did get out, but coming from where he came from he didn't know how to keep from getting pulled back in.  His death is as much a social comentary as his music was.

Edit:  here is the last verse of the song "me agianst the world" quoted earlier in the thread.  The song starts off sounding very thugish but most of you anti rap people completely miss what he's actually saying.  He's making a political statement about the plight of the people in the projects and how nobody cares or wants to listen.  Limabowls, you are really, really uninformed about rap music.  Just do us all a favor and let other people talk about it.  Calling Tupac one of the worst criminals and thugs in the world proves you shouldn't be talking about the man.

Quote from: lyrics
With all this extra stressin
The question I wonder is after death, after my last breath
When will I finaly get to rest? Through this supression
they punish the people that's askin questions
And those that possess, steal from the ones without possesions
The message I stress: to make it stop study your lessons
Don't settle for less - even the genius asks-es questions
Be grateful for blessings
Don't ever change, keep your essence
The power is in the people and politics we address
Always do your best, don't let the pressure make you panic
And when you get stranded
And things don't go the way you planned it
Dreamin of riches, in a position of makin a difference
Politicians and hypocrites, they don't wanna listen
If I'm insane, it's the fame made a brother change
It wasn't nuttin like the game
It's just me against the world

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#26 : October 08, 2010, 10:09:08 AM

Kind of reminds me of the team attitude around the University of Miami a few years ago. Kellen Winslow might have something to do with that as well. Wouldn't be surprised if that was what they were trying to cultivate at One Buc. Nothing wrong with the "us-against-the-world" mentality. Most coaches play that card at one time or another.


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#27 : October 08, 2010, 10:34:11 AM

johnny cash. thug status.

tupac's song "changes" was recognized by the vatican as one of the best songs of the decade.  He was a product of his up bringing but a wise man.

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#28 : October 08, 2010, 10:42:22 AM

I get the vibe that a lot of people including the OP and Raw is a Buffoon do not like Coach Morris and what he stands for because he is black.

Definetely racisim going on in many of their posts.

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#29 : October 08, 2010, 10:47:07 AM

Thank you. It only shows a lack of understanding to be upset about Raheem listening to tupac with the players.  His work was not thug glorifying by any interpretations save an ignorant one.  

I suppose being upset that he listens to any music with the players is ok though.  I mean, he is a little too player freindly for my liking.  He's supposed to be the boss not their pal.
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