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#30 : November 11, 2010, 07:45:19 PM

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Respect?

Is that way Muslims are suing Oklahoma because the democracy voted to ban Sharia law? Couldnt you argue that the Muslims don't respect our culture and society? Sharia law is when they take people who commit adultry and stone them to death. It allows for polygamy and allows a man to beat his wife. Is that what you liberals want Americans to "respect?"

Liberals like you take your moral relativism so far you no longer have a grasp on what is right and wrong anymore.


More ignorance and stereotypes - taking the actions of a few and labeling millions. You're an embarrassment to all Americans.

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#31 : November 12, 2010, 04:23:25 PM

No he isn't.  I'm American and totally unembarrassed by the comments.  Sharia law is abusive.  Giving it any sense of standing or credibility is showing acceptance - and that is wrong.

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#33 : November 13, 2010, 05:39:09 PM

morgan wrote:
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Respect?

Is that way Muslims are suing Oklahoma because the democracy voted to ban Sharia law? Couldnt you argue that the Muslims don't respect our culture and society? Sharia law is when they take people who commit adultry and stone them to death. It allows for polygamy and allows a man to beat his wife. Is that what you liberals want Americans to "respect?"

Liberals like you take your moral relativism so far you no longer have a grasp on what is right and wrong anymore.


More ignorance and stereotypes - taking the actions of a few and labeling millions. You're an embarrassment to all Americans.


It's quite presumptuous of you to now speak for all Americans, which to me would be more of an embarrassment then someone who speaks his own mind even if Imight disagree.

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#34 : November 13, 2010, 06:58:28 PM

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Sharia law is when they take people who commit adultry and stone them to death. It allows for polygamy and allows a man to beat his wife. Is that what you liberals want Americans to "respect?"

Liberals like you take your moral relativism so far you no longer have a grasp on what is right and wrong anymore.


**shakes head**

One more time for the ignorant fool that refuses to learn.

NO THAT IS NOT WHAT SHARIA LAW IS!!!

Sharia law is a SYSTEM of law based on prior interpretations and rulings by experts and/or judges. British and by extension U.S. Common law actually evolved from Sharia Law.

If anything Sharia Law is more flexible than Civil Law. For example under Civil Law if one is charged with speeding and the defendant claims that he was driving his wife to the hospital, who was in labor, that is irrelevant because the "letter of the law" is all that matters and the only admissible evidence is proof that he was not speeding. Under Sharia, the extenuating circumstances of a wife in labor as well as the spirit and purpose of the law can be debated as it applies to this particular case.


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#35 : November 13, 2010, 07:17:36 PM

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well maybe as a feminist she shouldn't be covering her head in shame like muslim women are forced to do.



Shame??

So in Judaism are the men "forced to" cover their heads "in shame"?

 

jewish men wear yarmulkes to remind them that God is above them.  Muslim women are cover to hide their sexuality.  Totally different.


In Judaism, the men must cover their heads when entering the Temple/Synagogue and women shall NOT cover their heads. In Islam the men shall not cover their heads when entering a mosque and the women must.

Other than gender I see no difference.

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I absolutely do NOT agree. In some forms of Islam in certain parts of the world women are treated poorly, but in general Islam has treated women BETTER than Christianity. Islam has always allowed women to 1. own property-something Christianity didn't allow until the 18th century. 2. have a voice in politics- something Christianity didn't allow until the 20th Century. 3. have a right to trial and a right to present evidence and cross examine witnesses-see Salem Witch trials.


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#36 : November 15, 2010, 05:25:04 PM

Who cares who treated women better in the 1700s?

We live in the 21st century. Saying Christians treated women poorly in medieval times is avoiding the issues of the present.

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#37 : November 15, 2010, 09:15:50 PM

Who cares who treated women better in the 1700s?

We live in the 21st century. Saying Christians treated women poorly in medieval times is avoiding the issues of the present.


and characterizing all Muslims based on the actions of a small minority in crap hole backwater countries is the worst kind of ignorance.


Using your logic, white men must all abuse their wives because I read about several white women married to guys named Bubba in a trailer park that were abused.
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#38 : November 16, 2010, 09:40:28 AM

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Sharia law is when they take people who commit adultry and stone them to death. It allows for polygamy and allows a man to beat his wife. Is that what you liberals want Americans to "respect?"

Liberals like you take your moral relativism so far you no longer have a grasp on what is right and wrong anymore.

**shakes head**

One more time for the ignorant fool that refuses to learn.

NO THAT IS NOT WHAT SHARIA LAW IS!!!

Sharia law is a SYSTEM of law based on prior interpretations and rulings by experts and/or judges. British and by extension U.S. Common law actually evolved from Sharia Law.

If anything Sharia Law is more flexible than Civil Law. For example under Civil Law if one is charged with speeding and the defendant claims that he was driving his wife to the hospital, who was in labor, that is irrelevant because the "letter of the law" is all that matters and the only admissible evidence is proof that he was not speeding. Under Sharia, the extenuating cir**CENSORED**stances of a wife in labor as well as the spirit and purpose of the law can be debated as it applies to this particular case.

You could also say that British and American laws were just as much influenced by Norman laws, Roman laws and even Egyptian laws as they were by Islamic law, couldn't you?
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\"The budget should be balanced; the treasury should be refilled; public debt should be reduced; and the arrogance of public officials should be controlled.\" -Cicero. 106-43 B.C.

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#39 : November 16, 2010, 10:17:30 AM


Sharia law is a SYSTEM of law based on prior interpretations and rulings by experts and/or judges. British and by extension U.S. Common law actually evolved from Sharia Law.

Say what?

Common law started in England in the middle ages (Hence English Common law) and was exported to the Empire. What are you basing this on?

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#40 : November 16, 2010, 06:13:33 PM


Sharia law is a SYSTEM of law based on prior interpretations and rulings by experts and/or judges. British and by extension U.S. Common law actually evolved from Sharia Law.

Say what?

Common law started in England in the middle ages (Hence English Common law) and was exported to the Empire. What are you basing this on?

See below


You could also say that British and American laws were just as much influenced by Norman laws, Roman laws and even Egyptian laws as they were by Islamic law, couldn't you?

Absolutely except for Norman Law, which was mostly Trial by Ordeal (like submerging someone, if they floated they're guilty, if they sunk they are innocent)

The Brits borrowed heavily from those they traded with, and they traded with everyone. The concepts of prior precedence (i.e. Case Law), cross examining witnesses, judges making interpretations of the law to fit the relevance to the particular case, weight of written contracts over oral ones, the denial of hearsay as evidence, etc. are all elements of Sharia Law and most likely came from dealings with Sicilian, Corsican, Maltese, (all controlled by Moorish rulers @800-1100) and Egyptian/North African states. Plus many Islamic ideas were brought to England by Crusaders and Knights Templar.

References:
http://www.bestofsicily.com/mag/art283.htm
http://www.slaw.ca/2008/10/27/the-common-law-and-the-law-of-islam/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7631388.stm




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#41 : November 16, 2010, 06:48:11 PM

In an unrelated note:

happy Eid-Ul-Adha. The Muslim holiday celebrating something or other.

In honor of this day I figured I'd post here my own way to celebrate an Islamic holiday...Hot Muslim Chicks!!!



Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno


FAWZIA MOHAMED-Miss Universe 2006-Egypt




YASMEEN GHAURI




Miss Kosovo




Noreen Dewulf




Queen Raina of Jordan


yep looks like Queen Raina has been badly abused by her Muslim husband...seems she is only allowed to drive Mercedes or ride in limos, he won't let her ride any of his 82 Harleys- what a cruel bastard!


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#42 : November 16, 2010, 07:01:14 PM


Sharia law is a SYSTEM of law based on prior interpretations and rulings by experts and/or judges. British and by extension U.S. Common law actually evolved from Sharia Law.

Say what?

Common law started in England in the middle ages (Hence English Common law) and was exported to the Empire. What are you basing this on?

See below


You could also say that British and American laws were just as much influenced by Norman laws, Roman laws and even Egyptian laws as they were by Islamic law, couldn't you?

Absolutely except for Norman Law, which was mostly Trial by Ordeal (like submerging someone, if they floated they're guilty, if they sunk they are innocent)


What are you talking about, the Norman Trial by Ordeal influence on law is one of the most common principles around to this day. If you "sink" all your money in a good lawyer you stand a good chance of being innocent, while if you get a government lawyer "floated" to you you'll more then likely be found guilty.

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#43 : November 17, 2010, 09:01:36 AM


The Brits borrowed heavily from those they traded with, and they traded with everyone. The concepts of prior precedence (i.e. Case Law), cross examining witnesses, judges making interpretations of the law to fit the relevance to the particular case, weight of written contracts over oral ones, the denial of hearsay as evidence, etc. are all elements of Sharia Law and most likely came from dealings with Sicilian, Corsican, Maltese, (all controlled by Moorish rulers @800-1100) and Egyptian/North African states. Plus many Islamic ideas were brought to England by Crusaders and Knights Templar.

References:
http://www.bestofsicily.com/mag/art283.htm
http://www.slaw.ca/2008/10/27/the-common-law-and-the-law-of-islam/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7631388.stm

OK, having read the references and looked around a bit, I will concede that there is sufficient anecdotal evidence to imply some aspects of Islamic Law may have had an influence on Common Law, as did Roman, Saxon, Danish law etc, but to say it EVOLVED from Sharia or Islamic law is a HUGE stretch IMO.
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