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#30 : November 13, 2010, 01:40:17 PM

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Barrett topped out - definitively - after a year or two of decent play next to a legend.

Willis started well continues to get better.

Is that the point - one doesn't know how good a rookie will become?  

Re: McCoy - you now what you're seeing - he is improving with his intensity/confidence enabling him to come darned close to making plays.  The 5 win gig means little - unless one notes the wins are a result of Freeman - but that would be hijacking the thread...



Yes, that is the point, ( I have no idea how to quote on here correctly yet)

The 5 wins still mean a lot because Freeman is not in the situation to win a game if the defense does not come up big at big times. Take the Atl game for instance, we can nit pick all we want, but twice the defense was put in a bad place and came away giving up no points. Allowing us to have a chance. Skill is great and sacks are wonderful, but this defense is playing with a will to win that does not show up in the individual numbers. Thus the 5 wins do mean something. Now we need that same will to win on every play, but that is a part of this defense growing up together for more than 8 games.

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#31 : November 13, 2010, 01:40:47 PM

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Barrett topped out - definitively - after a year or two of decent play next to a legend.

Willis started well continues to get better.

Is that the point - one doesn't know how good a rookie will become?  

Re: McCoy - you now what you're seeing - he is improving with his intensity/confidence enabling him to come darned close to making plays.  The 5 win gig means little - unless one notes the wins are a result of Freeman - but that would be hijacking the thread...



Yes, that is the point, ( I have no idea how to quote on here correctly yet)

The 5 wins still mean a lot because Freeman is not in the situation to win a game if the defense does not come up big at big times. Take the Atl game for instance, we can nit pick all we want, but twice the defense was put in a bad place and came away giving up no points. Allowing us to have a chance. Skill is great and sacks are wonderful, but this defense is playing with a will to win that does not show up in the individual numbers. Thus the 5 wins do mean something. Now we need that same will to win on every play, but that is a part of this defense growing up together for more than 8 games.

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#32 : November 13, 2010, 02:28:40 PM

You got the quote under control...

The D is doing just enough to enable Freeman to have a chance.  I would offer that isn't enough.  Yea, they seem to do better in the second half of games - but in the first half - well one would think passing out cue cards might be order.  

It remains all about 5 - the rest of the team simply tries not to let the hill get too high... jmvho

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#33 : November 13, 2010, 03:02:37 PM

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Barrett topped out - definitively - after a year or two of decent play next to a legend.

Willis started well continues to get better.

Is that the point - one doesn't know how good a rookie will become?  

Re: McCoy - you now what you're seeing - he is improving with his intensity/confidence enabling him to come darned close to making plays.  The 5 win gig means little - unless one notes the wins are a result of Freeman - but that would be hijacking the thread...

I think the Ruud/Willis comparison as it relates to McCoy/Suh was to show sometimes superior play at a position doesn't translate to victories, but it doesn't mean the player is any less superior.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#34 : November 13, 2010, 06:10:28 PM

6.5 sacks for a rookie DT at the halfway point in the season does NOT happen by accident.  This thread seems to be trying to "spin away" Suh's sacks,...theres just WAY too many to spin away.  Now if McCoy were to go out and record a sack tomorrow, that can be perceived as a fluke (McCoy should have gotten at least one sack by this point EVEN if it was by accident), but EVERYONE expects Suh to go out and get a sack or two tomorrow...that's the "Deep Reality" IMHO.

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#35 : November 13, 2010, 08:35:01 PM

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Interesting that Suh has 22 pressures and McCoy has 21. I think a lot of getting a sack has to do with having more than 1 guy close to the QB, where he can't easily escape.
   Very true. Most QB's, if they see a single D'lineman approaching, can escape. When the whole pocket is collapsing from all angles is when he gets trapped. That's why I'd rather see pressure, which leads to more turnovers, than sacks. Make the QB throw the ball when he isn't quite ready to throw it...

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#36 : November 13, 2010, 09:30:08 PM

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That's why I'd rather see pressure, which leads to more turnovers, than sacks.


So, the smart thing to do would be hold up and not get the sack, take the pressure instead? You guys can really put logic through some unbelievable twists to deny that Suh looks one hell of a lot better than McCoy does. Don't you think that getting a sack has just as much chance as causing a turnover as forcing a pass?

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