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« #30 : December 02, 2010, 09:32:37 AM »

Ticket prices have grown up to 100%, but fan's salaries haven't kept up with that pace, have they?

I remember paying $15 in the 1980s for a ticket that now costs $150. Yet the same blackout rules from the 1960s apply.

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« #31 : December 02, 2010, 09:51:14 AM »

Old article - but some think the NFL will go to a PPV. I'd pay $10 per game.



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/42772-online-nfl-pay-per-view-games-coming-soon

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« #32 : December 02, 2010, 09:52:40 AM »

I think we can say that our blackouts have more to do with the price to product ratio that the bucs currently have. This is the biggest game Tampa has played in since the Monday night game 2 years ago with Carolina. I would venture a guess that Florida's economy plays a significant role in all this as well.

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« #33 : December 02, 2010, 11:01:48 AM »

You know guys it's still the NFL's fault and ultimately the owner's fault.  This economy is horrific right now.  You'd think that the owner's would in some way at least attempt to make the old out dated blackout rule fair?  But no.  They'd rather put it back on the fans who they have been trying to price out for years.  So please with being pissed at your fellow fans.  I'm sorry I'm not feeling bad because I can no longer afford to go to a game.  I don't hate on the Glazers for it, but without a doubt the league could do something about and they just won't so take that anger towards your fellow fan and put it back where it belongs...not on us...

Chev, there are plenty of fans who can afford to go but for whatever reason/excuse, they have decided to stay home.

How was Back Friday in the Tampa Bay area? Empty stores?

Morgan, a jersey lasts a decade, an experience at such an important game will provide a lifetimes of memories. And as far as your thread on grown men wearing jerseys? Plenty of posters, including me, have
already responded to your nonsense in that thread.

BP, of course you can be a fan without going but the fans who used to go and who are not going any more (and who can still afford it) should be shamed of not supporting this team for the biggest game of the year.

I agree that the Glazers could help a little by cutting the $100 tickets in half for just one game.
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« #34 : December 02, 2010, 11:07:43 AM »

I've been going to games since 1981 and I vaguely remember the majority of them -  kind of like buying fireworks..... interesting experience, but quickly forgotten and nothing financially to show for the $100 you spent on them. As for jerseys - still see people w/ them from the 1976 days.
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« #35 : December 02, 2010, 11:20:02 AM »

I've been going to games since 1981 and I vaguely remember the majority of them -  kind of like buying fireworks..... interesting experience, but quickly forgotten and nothing financially to show for the $100 you spent on them. As for jerseys - still see people w/ them from the 1976 days.

I have plenty of memories from plenty of Bucs regular season and playoff games. You might want to try Ginkgo.  It helps with memory loss.

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« #36 : December 02, 2010, 11:48:34 AM »

You know guys it's still the NFL's fault and ultimately the owner's fault.  This economy is horrific right now.  You'd think that the owner's would in some way at least attempt to make the old out dated blackout rule fair?  But no.  They'd rather put it back on the fans who they have been trying to price out for years.  So please with being pissed at your fellow fans.  I'm sorry I'm not feeling bad because I can no longer afford to go to a game.  I don't hate on the Glazers for it, but without a doubt the league could do something about and they just won't so take that anger towards your fellow fan and put it back where it belongs...not on us...

Chev, there are plenty of fans who can afford to go but for whatever reason/excuse, they have decided to stay home.

How was Back Friday in the Tampa Bay area? Empty stores?

Morgan, a jersey lasts a decade, an experience at such an important game will provide a lifetimes of memories. And as far as your thread on grown men wearing jerseys? Plenty of posters, including me, have
already responded to your nonsense in that thread.

BP, of course you can be a fan without going but the fans who used to go and who are not going any more (and who can still afford it) should be shamed of not supporting this team for the biggest game of the year.

I agree that the Glazers could help a little by cutting the $100 tickets in half for just one game.

Dude I'm so broke...Black Friday was like every other day except I got to save gas money by not having to commute to work.  Don't put people down or incest the fans are the problem until you've walked in their shoes.  It's rough here bro.  In a state where unemployment is roughly 10%+ the Bay area is above that at 11+ pecent.  Your rhetoric is easy to spew when you've not lived, walked, experienced it from a different perspective. If I were never a real fan, if you knew I was never passionate just a casual guy about the Bucs then yeah you'd have beef with me and I'd deserve it. The "real" fan just don't have the cash brother.  Right now it's a choice and I'll listen to Gene every Sunday if it keeps food on my table, lights in my house, and a little gas in the tank to get to and from the grind everyday.  It's not as easy as "it's just one game".  I'm having it bad.  I can only imagine people who have been hit harder than me...

To expect and vilify any fan whether he can afford it or not in this economy is very elitist and quite frankly very selfish to think people have made the decision to stay away just to hurt the Glazers or not support the team. Especially when life or death decisions need to be made with less financial help than you had just 2 years ago. I'm sorry but I totally disagree with your notion thast fans are not passionate and are cheap or have been turned off. SOME/MOST OF US JUST CAN'T AFFORD IT ANYMORE! How many of us must tell our tales or misfortune before some of you get it?

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« #37 : December 02, 2010, 12:11:45 PM »

There are too many "shoulds" in this thread.

Bottom line, it's a business where supply and demand rule. The people of Tampa don't have any obligation to show up and spend an outrageous amount of money on tickets, and the Glazers don't have any obligation to buy up the tickets. So, here we are.

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« #38 : December 02, 2010, 12:17:09 PM »

There are too many "shoulds" in this thread.

Bottom line, it's a business where supply and demand rule. The people of Tampa don't have any obligation to show up and spend an outrageous amount of money on tickets, and the Glazers don't have any obligation to buy up the tickets. So, here we are.

I totally agree with that D.  However, is there anyone who doesn't think or feel a moderate change, on the NFL level for each city, in the blackout policy is called for given the country's economic state?  That's not asking the Glazers to give anything...just change the rules to make it more fair or competitive to  sell enough tickets for the games to be played on local tv.  I really don't think that's too much to ask..

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« #39 : December 02, 2010, 12:35:30 PM »

Dude I'm so broke...Black Friday was like every other day except I got to save gas money by not having to commute to work.  Don't put people down or incest the fans are the problem until you've walked in their shoes.  It's rough here bro.  In a state where unemployment is roughly 10%+ the Bay area is above that at 11+ pecent.  Your rhetoric is easy to spew when you've not lived, walked, experienced it from a different perspective. If I were never a real fan, if you knew I was never passionate just a casual guy about the Bucs then yeah you'd have beef with me and I'd deserve it. The "real" fan just don't have the cash brother.  Right now it's a choice and I'll listen to Gene every Sunday if it keeps food on my table, lights in my house, and a little gas in the tank to get to and from the grind everyday.  It's not as easy as "it's just one game".  I'm having it bad.  I can only imagine people who have been hit harder than me...

To expect and vilify any fan whether he can afford it or not in this economy is very elitist and quite frankly very selfish to think people have made the decision to stay away just to hurt the Glazers or not support the team. Especially when life or death decisions need to be made with less financial help than you had just 2 years ago. I'm sorry but I totally disagree with your notion thast fans are not passionate and are cheap or have been turned off. SOME/MOST OF US JUST CAN'T AFFORD IT ANYMORE! How many of us must tell our tales or misfortune before some of you get it?

You make a lot of assumptions in that post.

First off, I HAVE been in your shoes.  A few years ago, when living in LA, my wife and I were both out of work and BROKE. I almost had to move back to NY to live with my parents. We ate Jack In The Box a lot because the Jumbo Jacks and Two Tacos were CHEAP! So, I know a little bit about being poor. But at that time, plenty of other people were doing fine and had the disposable income to spend on a game or concert.

Same goes for some of the "fans" in Florida now. There are enough people within a few hours drive who are NOT unemployed and who CAN afford it. But overall, for whatever reason, (too many transplants? They hate Morris?) they choose to stay home. I think plenty of real fans have the money. It's just that Florida fans suck, overall. Too fickle. Wait, I take that back. The Jags can sell out a game so maybe it's just some Tampa fans who suck this bad and not all of Florida?

Black Friday may have been just like any other day for you but were the stores empty in Florida? Are ALL residents and fans broke?

Elitist? Not quite.

I hope your financial situation improves.

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« #40 : December 02, 2010, 12:45:13 PM »

Hey, if the people can afford the tickets, but still have better things to do, good for them.

I don't know how that makes them "suck".


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« #41 : December 02, 2010, 01:53:00 PM »

...There are enough people within a few hours drive who are NOT unemployed and who CAN afford it. But overall, for whatever reason, they choose to stay home. I think plenty of real fans have the money. It's just that Florida fans suck, overall. Too fickle. Wait, I take that back. The Jags can sell out a game so maybe it's just some Tampa fans who suck this bad and not all of Florida?...

I guess I'm one of those fickle Florida fans that you say suck.

I had season tickets for the last 5 or 6 years.  Last year was brutal.  My wife and I would go to every game (Section 123 Row L, end zone opposite the Pirate Ship) and by half time most of the season ticket holders would be gone out of disgust.  The Stadium would quit checking tickets by then so every drunk a-hole from the opposing team would invade our section and berate the Bucs fans that were left.  It got old real quick and we were wondering why we were spending $200+ to be here when it just wasn't fun anymore.

Fast forward to the off-season and time for me to renew my seats for the 2010 season.  I had every intention of renewing but not in that section.  I called the Buc's ticket office and explained my situation.  I wanted to stay in the 100 section but wanted to move out of the end zone hoping the drunks invasion wasn't as bad in the other sections.  I was willing to pay the difference in the seats ($10.00) and also some form of pro-ration for the seat deposit.  I was told if I wanted to move, I would get a credit for my seat deposit (~$800) and have to sign a new agreement for a seat deposit (~$1900.)  Basically, I would have to pay an addition $1,100 to move 3 sections to my left!  I told them this was something I was not willing to do I would not be renewing.  He kind of gave me a "meh" and let me get off of the phone.  I was floored and thought I must have gotten a hold of someone that didn't understand that they were having a hard time retaining season ticket holders.  I ended up calling back two more times, spoke to two new people, and got the same response from each of them.

I figured this was the end of it until I got a call from someone about coming down to the Buccaneers HQ, listening to Dominic speak, checking out the facilities, and talking to someone about renewing my season tickets.  I figured I would give it one more try and maybe being face to face I would find someone that did want to retain me as a customer.  At the end of the presentation, I was escorted into a private room joined by a manager that assured me he was empathetic and could get this resolved.  His solution were either a payment play (I never once complained about the price of the tickets) or I could move into a nosebleed seat that didn't require a seat deposit.  I again thanked them for their time and declined their offer.  Clearly they did not need me as a customer and had no problems filling any of the seats at Raymond James.

Forgive me for thinking you should piss off if you think I'm not a real fan for not wanting to spend an addition $1,100 over and above the price of the tickets to move several section over.  On top of that, I'll never be a season ticket holder again because I'll always remember the uncollected $800 seat deposit they have of mine.

If that is the way the Glaziers want to run the organization, that is fine.  They have a right to run it however they see fit.  I too have the right to not patronize their establishment if I don’t like the terms of their agreement.  If that means “I suck” as a “real” fan so be it.

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« #42 : December 02, 2010, 02:44:38 PM »

The ones who claim that attending the games is the only way you can be a fan are usually the ones who have mommy and daddy buying thier tickets for them...

Really???

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« #43 : December 02, 2010, 02:48:08 PM »

I've been going to games since 1981 and I vaguely remember the majority of them -  kind of like buying fireworks..... interesting experience, but quickly forgotten and nothing financially to show for the $100 you spent on them. As for jerseys - still see people w/ them from the 1976 days.

I have plenty of memories from plenty of Bucs regular season and playoff games. You might want to try Ginkgo.  It helps with memory loss.

I guess when you go to only one game a year, they're easier to remember than the person who goes to more. I get a kick out of the guy who goes to one then lays the guilt trip on those that decided not to shell out $$$$$ for overpriced tickets.

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« #44 : December 02, 2010, 03:09:13 PM »

I've been going to games since 1981 and I vaguely remember the majority of them -  kind of like buying fireworks..... interesting experience, but quickly forgotten and nothing financially to show for the $100 you spent on them. As for jerseys - still see people w/ them from the 1976 days.
Well you have nothing to show for the clothes you wear, the money "wasted" on them as well.

There are so many things that you have wasted your money on...and you think it is a "waste" to go to a Bucs game?  I travel to them occasionally.  It costs me a ton, and I make a celbration of it.

Why would you post so much on a site dedicated to the Bucs, and still find a way to backhand slap fans who go to the games, who want to spend some income to enjoy a Sunday cheering your team on?  I am not saying you are not as much a fan as others are, but damn...you sure sound like you are just arguing to argue, IMO.  If I am wrong, I stand corrected and apologize to you.

However, from what I have read, it almost sounds like you are just finding it more pleasureable to debase what some fans, a lot actually, do to celebrate a nice afternoon of stress free football...

As for jerseys from 1976, hell yeah!  That would be awesome.

Sorry if I laugh at your comment of "nothing to show for it".  Sorry if you cannot find any happiness in watching the Bucs, and perhaps occasionally thump your chest when watercooling with your buddies, telling them how much fun you had attending a game in person.

I find it is a blast!  Sorry you don't.

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