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: December 04, 2010, 03:20:32 AM

2010 Rookie class :

Rd 1, Pick 3 (3)            McCoy, Gerald DT (2009 All-Big 12 1st team)
Rd 2, Pick 3 (35)            Price, Brian DT (2009 All-Pac 10 1st team)
Rd 2, Pick 7 (39)            Benn, Arrelious WR (2009 All-BIG 10 Honorable Mention and 3 year starter)
Rd 3, Pick 3 (67)            Lewis, Myron CB (2009 All-SEC 2nd team and 3 year starter)
Rd 4, Pick 3 (101)     Williams, Mike WR (2007 All-BIG EAST 2nd team and 3 year starter)
Rd 6, Pick 3 (172)     Bowden, Brent P (2009 All-ACC 1st team)
Rd 7, Pick 3 (210)     Grimm, Cody LB (2009 All-ACC 1st team @ LB)
Rd 7, Pick 10 (217)    Watson, Dekoda LB (2009 All-ACC 2nd team and 3 year starter)
Rd 7, Pick 46 (253)    Lorig, Erik DE (2008 All-PAC 10 Honorable Mention and 2 year starter prior to injury) Sat out entire 2009 season with torn pectoral muscle


Rd 4, Pick 25 (123)*   Woods, Al DT
Rd 5, Pick 29 (160)#  Asante, Larry SS (2009 All-Big 12 1st team)
Rd 6, Pick 22 (191)^   Briscoe, Dezmon WR (2009 All-Big 12 1st team)
Rd 6, Pick 36 (205)~  Larsen, Ted OL (2 year starter @ Center)
Undrafted Rookie       Carter, Brandon OL (2009 All-Big 12 1st team)
Undrafted Rookie       Blount, LeGarrette RB (2008 All-PAC 10 Honorable Mention)
Undrafted Rookie       Malone, Robert P (2009 All-WAC 1st team)

* = Saints draft pick
# = Browns draft pick
^ = Bengals draft pick
~ = Patriots draft pick


2009 Rookie class :

Rd 1, Pick 17 (17)      Freeman, Josh QB (3 year starter)
Rd 3, Pick 17 (81)      Miller, Roy DT (2008 All-Big 12 1st team)
Rd 4, Pick 17 (117     Moore, Kyle DE (2008 All-Pac 10 Honorable Mention)
Rd 5, Pick 19 (155)    Fulton, Xavier OT (2008 All-Big 10 2nd team and 2 year starter)
Rd 7, Pick 8 (217)      Biggers, E.J. CB (2008 All MAC 2nd team and 3 year starter)
Rd 7, Pick 24 (233)    Stroughter, Sammie WR (2008 All-Pac 10 1st team)


Rd 3, Pick 3 (67)*       Magee, Alex DE 3 year starter
Undrafted Rookie       Bennett, Michael DE
Undrafted Rookie       Carpenter, Rudy QB (2008 All-PAC 10 Honorable Mention)
Undrafted Rookie       Lumpkin, Kregg RB
*= KC draft pick


Is there a profile for an ideal Dominik draft pick? If there is what do you think it looks like? (I tried to help by posting the past 2 rookie classes and what I think are 2 definite prerequisites)

Is 2 years not a big enough sample size to determine this?

What would be your ideal draft pick prerequisites?
: December 04, 2010, 03:24:10 AM bullg8rdaddy

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#1 : December 04, 2010, 03:38:11 AM

2010 Undrafted rookies OT Derek Hardman (Eastern Kentucky) and OT Will Barker (Virginia) were both 4 year starters at their respective colleges.

Hardman was a 2 time All-OVC 1st teamer.
: December 04, 2010, 03:40:14 AM bullg8rdaddy

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#2 : December 04, 2010, 03:46:43 AM

Umm...first team in a conference is a common for just about most NFL teams. Heck that honor is the reason why those players in college get looked at for the NFL.  And yes you want to draft guys that were starting for 3 years, it obviously means that they were pretty good in college.

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#3 : December 04, 2010, 03:51:46 AM

Umm...first team in a conference is a common for just about most NFL teams. Heck that honor is the reason why those players in college get looked at for the NFL.  And yes you want to draft guys that were starting for 3 years, it obviously means that they were pretty good in college.

Is there a profile for an ideal Dominik draft pick? If there is what do you think it looks like? (I tried to help by posting the past 2 rookie classes and what I think are 2 definite prerequisites)

Is 2 years not a big enough sample size to determine this?

What would be your ideal draft pick prerequisites?

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#4 : December 04, 2010, 05:30:40 AM

Looks like Dom is drafting for production where as Allen drafted on potential.

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#5 : December 04, 2010, 08:59:29 AM

Looks like Dom is drafting for production where as Allen drafted on potential.
Almost all the Allen era picks were productive college players. There were only a few picks based off potential (Marquis Cooper, Dexter Jackson, Chris Colmer). The problems with the Allen era picks is most all the players had already maxed out. They were already as good as they were going to get. Aqib Talib is the only player who had the college stats and athletic upside to keep getting better.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#6 : December 04, 2010, 09:00:49 AM

Is there a profile for an ideal Dominik draft pick? If there is what do you think it looks like? (I tried to help by posting the past 2 rookie classes and what I think are 2 definite prerequisites)

Is 2 years not a big enough sample size to determine this?

What would be your ideal draft pick prerequisites?
Leadership. PR has done the research that Dominik really focuses on team captains and players who are self-motivated and can motivate others.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#7 : December 04, 2010, 09:52:38 AM

There was some research done about what most NFL prospects that are successful have in common, and the one prevailing factor was service time. Guys that started for at least three years had more success than guys who were only one or two year starters, and guys who were four year starters tended to do even better. The longer you play, the more time you have to get familiar with the game and the more it slows down for you. I notice a lot of three and four year starters among our picks. I think that may be on purpose.


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#8 : December 04, 2010, 09:57:14 AM

There was some research done about what most NFL prospects that are successful have in common, and the one prevailing factor was service time. Guys that started for at least three years had more success than guys who were only one or two year starters, and guys who were four year starters tended to do even better. The longer you play, the more time you have to get familiar with the game and the more it slows down for you. I notice a lot of three and four year starters among our picks. I think that may be on purpose.
I'd say the biggest thing about extra playing time is you get extra film to study. If a player has started 35-40 games, you've seen him in every possible situation and you pretty much know exactly what he can do and what he can't. If after gaining all that knowledge you still think he's worth a top pick, chances are he's going to be good. If a player has only started 15-20 games, you may not have seen everything he can and can't do. There may be something hidden in his game that would negatively affect his chances in the NFL that you haven't seen yet.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#9 : December 04, 2010, 10:44:16 AM

Dom appears to be very good at knowing what translates from college to the NFL. Allen and many other NFL execs get tricked by numbers and highlight reals that out of context and won't translate well to the NFL. I don't think it's any one thing, but I know he looks for leaders, guys with high motors, guys that really love the game, and guys that have stayed healthy...among other things.


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#10 : December 04, 2010, 02:07:52 PM

Looks like Dom is drafting for production where as Allen drafted on potential.
Almost all the Allen era picks were productive college players. There were only a few picks based off potential (Marquis Cooper, Dexter Jackson, Chris Colmer).


I'd add Julian Jenkins, Larry Brackins and Dre Moore to that list. They were all drafted based upon potential.

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#11 : December 04, 2010, 02:12:09 PM

Great replies, fellas! Thanks!

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#12 : December 04, 2010, 03:13:53 PM


Is there a profile for an ideal Dominik draft pick? If there is what do you think it looks like? (I tried to help by posting the past 2 rookie classes and what I think are 2 definite prerequisites)

Is 2 years not a big enough sample size to determine this?

What would be your ideal draft pick prerequisites?

I'd say production, experience and leadership all factor into the equation, but the one thing being over looked is that they are guys with chips on their shoulders.

Josh Freeman - He was supposed to be a 2nd rounder by most talking heads.  He was not anywhere close to Stafford and Sanchez in many people's eyes.  All he has done is shown everyone he is the best of the bunch with a whole lot less to work with than those two.  He has made his teammates better whereas Sanchez leans heavily on the best OL in the NFL and plenty of veteran weapons at his disposal.

Roy Miller - He was the 10th DT selected, but felt he was better or comparable to the first rounders selected.  Rightfully so, his college production rivaled our very own McCoy during his senior season in 2009.  All he has done is come to work hard everyday in an effort to get better.

EJ Biggers - Small school guy over looked, but with loads of potential.  Sat out 2009 with injury, but has worked to basically start opposite Talib with great results.

Sammie Stroughter - Talked up as a first round talent, but dropped to the 7th due to off the field issues beyond his control.  He is one of the heart and soul guys of our team.  Willing to do whatever is best and step in whenever he is asked to perform.

Gerald McCoy - Not Suh. I don't believe it needs to be discussed any further as the topic has been beat to death.

Mike Williams - 1st round talent with off the field issues.  He has done nothings less than his prediction to be the steal of the draft.

Cody Grimm - During his time in the starting role he preformed like a first round talent yet he was taken in the 7th.  He was talked about as slow and undersized, but certainly shed those descriptions quickly after the Steelers game.

Blount, Woods, Briscoe, Larsen, Bennett and Magee could be considered discards by former teams, but they all have worked hard to prove they belong playing with the best of the best.

Dominic brought in Penn, an undrafted FA, who was forced to start due to injury and hasn't looked back yet.  Antonio Bryant wanted to make a comeback and show he deserved another chance, albeit for money or not.

He looks for guys who have something to prove.  Guys who want to be among the great players even if some of them lack the measureables of the others.

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#13 : July 31, 2011, 07:53:26 PM

2010 Rookie class :

Rd 1, Pick 3 (3)            McCoy, Gerald DT (2009 All-Big 12 1st team)
Rd 2, Pick 3 (35)            Price, Brian DT (2009 All-Pac 10 1st team)
Rd 2, Pick 7 (39)            Benn, Arrelious WR (2009 All-BIG 10 Honorable Mention and 3 year starter)
Rd 3, Pick 3 (67)            Lewis, Myron CB (2009 All-SEC 2nd team and 3 year starter)
Rd 4, Pick 3 (101)     Williams, Mike WR (2007 All-BIG EAST 2nd team and 3 year starter)
Rd 6, Pick 3 (172)     Bowden, Brent P (2009 All-ACC 1st team)
Rd 7, Pick 3 (210)     Grimm, Cody LB (2009 All-ACC 1st team @ LB)
Rd 7, Pick 10 (217)    Watson, Dekoda LB (2009 All-ACC 2nd team and 3 year starter)
Rd 7, Pick 46 (253)    Lorig, Erik DE (2008 All-PAC 10 Honorable Mention and 2 year starter prior to injury) Sat out entire 2009 season with torn pectoral muscle


Rd 4, Pick 25 (123)*   Woods, Al DT
Rd 5, Pick 29 (160)#  Asante, Larry SS (2009 All-Big 12 1st team)
Rd 6, Pick 22 (191)^   Briscoe, Dezmon WR (2009 All-Big 12 1st team)
Rd 6, Pick 36 (205)~  Larsen, Ted OL (2 year starter @ Center)
Undrafted Rookie       Carter, Brandon OL (2009 All-Big 12 1st team)
Undrafted Rookie       Blount, LeGarrette RB (2008 All-PAC 10 Honorable Mention)
Undrafted Rookie       Malone, Robert P (2009 All-WAC 1st team)

* = Saints draft pick
# = Browns draft pick
^ = Bengals draft pick
~ = Patriots draft pick


2009 Rookie class :

Rd 1, Pick 17 (17)      Freeman, Josh QB (3 year starter)
Rd 3, Pick 17 (81)      Miller, Roy DT (2008 All-Big 12 1st team)
Rd 4, Pick 17 (117     Moore, Kyle DE (2008 All-Pac 10 Honorable Mention)
Rd 5, Pick 19 (155)    Fulton, Xavier OT (2008 All-Big 10 2nd team and 2 year starter)
Rd 7, Pick 8 (217)      Biggers, E.J. CB (2008 All MAC 2nd team and 3 year starter)
Rd 7, Pick 24 (233)    Stroughter, Sammie WR (2008 All-Pac 10 1st team)


Rd 3, Pick 3 (67)*       Magee, Alex DE 3 year starter
Undrafted Rookie       Bennett, Michael DE
Undrafted Rookie       Carpenter, Rudy QB (2008 All-PAC 10 Honorable Mention)
Undrafted Rookie       Lumpkin, Kregg RB
*= KC draft pick

2011 Rookie class :

Rd 1, Pick 20 (20)       Clayborn, Adrian DE (2009 & 2010 All-Big 10 1st team, 39 starts/51 games, 2 year team captain)
Rd 2, Pick 19 (51)       Bowers, Da'Quan DE (2010 All-ACC 1st team, 30 starts/38 games, team captain)
Rd 3, Pick 20 (84)       Foster, Mason MLB (2010 All-PAC 10 1st team, 41 starts/49 games, team captain)
Rd 4, Pick 7 (104)       Stocker, Luke TE (38 starts/52 games, team captain)
Rd 5, Pick 20 (151)     Black, Ahmad S (2009 & 2010 All-SEC 1st team, 39 starts/49 games, team captain)
Rd 6, Pick 22 (187)     Bradford, Allen RB (2009 All-PAC 11 honorable mention, 5 start/51 games)
Rd 7, Pick 19 (222)     Gaitor, Anthony CB (2008,2009, & 2010 All-Sun Belt 1st team, 47 starts/ 48 games, team captain)
Rd 7, Pick 35 (238)     Hardy, Daniel TE (2010 All-WAC 2nd team, 20 starts/27 games)


Undrafted Rookie        Webber, Raymond WR (2010 All-SWAC & FCS 1st team, started all of 2010)

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#14 : July 31, 2011, 08:02:16 PM

Guys that have started there whole careers aren't accustomed to being 2nd fiddle either. The competition level rises, and so does the play on the field.

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