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#480 : December 12, 2010, 04:15:30 PM

Go back and watch the replay at first down.  The ball is at the 12 yard line, but the officials first down marker is at the 3.  That's 9 yards not 10.  That's why they were given the first down when he should have been a yard short.

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#481 : December 12, 2010, 04:15:51 PM

By the way, on another message board I posted this as soon as the Redskins final drive started:

"Prediction: Washington scores a TD, misses extra point. But the way this game has gone that might be a bit too obvious of an ending. "

hahahaha

I thought for sure they'd go for 2 and win, just like we did to them a few years back.


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#482 : December 12, 2010, 04:16:09 PM

The officials did give them a first down - incorrectly - and then let them have 4 additional plays.  An officiating screw up - but not the one folks are referencing.  When the receiver went down the ball was spotted properly at the 3, a full yard short of the yardage needed for a first down. 

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#483 : December 12, 2010, 04:17:13 PM

You can clearly see that Fox's yellow line is at the 2, where it should have been, and the first down marker is at the 3.

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#484 : December 12, 2010, 04:18:26 PM

Did anyone watching the game ever see the refereee make the arm signal for a first down?


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#485 : December 12, 2010, 04:20:21 PM

Need to rewatch the game and watch the markers to see if it ever changed to a one.

no need to rewatch the game didn't you see when they changed them?   Am I the only one who watched the feed with actual commentary?   The markers did not get switched to first down after that first down catch.  It got switched to fourth when the pass went incomplete then stayed on fourth for the touchdown play.   No one had a clue it was first except one guy I guess and he wasn't sharing.
The marker didn't get switched because they picked up the first down on the previous first down.
If you go back and watch in from the original first down the yellow line was a full one yard different to the actual marker, the Skins hit the actual line for the first down and the markers were moved for a fresh set of downs.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the refs calls on that series, the fault comes with the TV lines being wrong and nobody at the network being on the ball, the confusion is the networks fault.

What was the refs fault was the none calls on the 54 yard run, the horsecollar, ref hitting.

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#486 : December 12, 2010, 04:23:03 PM

Need to rewatch the game and watch the markers to see if it ever changed to a one.

no need to rewatch the game didn't you see when they changed them?   Am I the only one who watched the feed with actual commentary?   The markers did not get switched to first down after that first down catch.  It got switched to fourth when the pass went incomplete then stayed on fourth for the touchdown play.   No one had a clue it was first except one guy I guess and he wasn't sharing.
The marker didn't get switched because they picked up the first down on the previous first down.
If you go back and watch in from the original first down the yellow line was a full one yard different to the actual marker, the Skins hit the actual line for the first down and the markers were moved for a fresh set of downs.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the refs calls on that series, the fault comes with the TV lines being wrong and nobody at the network being on the ball, the confusion is the networks fault.

What was the refs fault was the none calls on the 54 yard run, the horsecollar, ref hitting.

Wrong.  The ball was placed at the 12.  The first down should have been the 2.  Fox's yellow line was correct.  The first down marker was a yard short of where it should have been, and that's why they were awarded a first down, and no one knew why.

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#487 : December 12, 2010, 04:23:11 PM

You can clearly see that Fox's yellow line is at the 2, where it should have been, and the first down marker is at the 3.

For 100 years we've been told the red marker on the sideline is just a guide. The refs are the ones that keep the actual yardage for a first down. If they went by the markers then they all should be freaking fired for not knowing down and distance. The home chain gang got over on the refs then!


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#488 : December 12, 2010, 04:26:40 PM

You can clearly see that Fox's yellow line is at the 2, where it should have been, and the first down marker is at the 3.

For 100 years we've been told the red marker on the sideline is just a guide. The refs are the ones that keep the actual yardage for a first down. If they went by the markers then they all should be freaking fired for not knowing down and distance. The home chain gang got over on the refs then!
If you look at the yellow marker then the chains. They are both lined up on eachother.

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#489 : December 12, 2010, 04:27:42 PM

Need to rewatch the game and watch the markers to see if it ever changed to a one.

no need to rewatch the game didn't you see when they changed them?   Am I the only one who watched the feed with actual commentary?   The markers did not get switched to first down after that first down catch.  It got switched to fourth when the pass went incomplete then stayed on fourth for the touchdown play.   No one had a clue it was first except one guy I guess and he wasn't sharing.
The marker didn't get switched because they picked up the first down on the previous first down.
If you go back and watch in from the original first down the yellow line was a full one yard different to the actual marker, the Skins hit the actual line for the first down and the markers were moved for a fresh set of downs.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the refs calls on that series, the fault comes with the TV lines being wrong and nobody at the network being on the ball, the confusion is the networks fault.

What was the refs fault was the none calls on the 54 yard run, the horsecollar, ref hitting.

Wrong.  The ball was placed at the 12.  The first down should have been the 2.  Fox's yellow line was correct.  The first down marker was a yard short of where it should have been, and that's why they were awarded a first down, and no one knew why.

They didn't make it to the 12 on the previous play, Moss was twisted down short of that line.
If you look at a freeze frame of the presnap for the "9 yard first down" the ball is clearly short of the 12 yard line.

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#490 : December 12, 2010, 04:29:15 PM

Go back and watch the replay at first down.  The ball is at the 12 yard line, but the officials first down marker is at the 3.  That's 9 yards not 10.  That's why they were given the first down when he should have been a yard short.

exactly.  the sticks were only moved 9 yards apart...from the 12 to the 3.  they gave them a 1st and 9 instead of 1st and 10.  the catch on 1st down made it 2nd and 1, but the sticks were moved to make it 1st and goal.  if you watch the replay, the down marker reads "1" after the catch on first down when FOX has it 2nd and 1, as it should have been. 

this will get some play nationally because, from what i think i remember, we were favored by 2 in vegas and we only won by one.  someone somewhere lost a lot of money on the refs error. 
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