Why people are making 5th down a big deal

[Bschucher]

For any of you guys who recorded this game and watched it back, it's obvious there was no 5th down and that the guy got a first down on that first play.   The TV station had the yellow first down line in the wrong spot.   All you have to do is look at the marker on the field and see that the guy had the first down easily.   He didn't make it to that yellow line, but that yellow line was a full yard further downfield than the actual down marker.

You're insane..

[GoBucsYo]

Must be those pewter colored glasses you wear that blinds you to reality.

[GoBucsYo]

Look at where he is and look at the yellow line.   THEN look at the top of the screen at the REAL first down marker.

[You Mad]

[You Mad]

if you count the sideline yard marks - alloting for the LOS being at what 12 1/4 yard and then look at the where the chain crew ends - does that chain crew seem to be 10 marks away from where the ball is spotted?

[GoBucsYo]

Good picture.   First time I've ever seen the down marker guys get it wrong.    How is that even possible?   That chain stretches 10 yards.   Can't blame the Skins for it though - they played the downs as marked on the field, not on the TV.   Had they thought it was 4th and goal instead of 3rd and goal, they would have likely made a different play selection.   Or maybe the Skins WR runs the route a bit longer on first down if he thinks that first down marker is further downfield.

That guy holding the marker needs to be fired.

[Biggs3535]

Must be those pewter colored glasses you wear that blinds you to reality.

lol

[Chaos]

Watch the replay for yourself

Its really that simple.

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On the other hand, both sidelines were informed that the Armstrong catch was a first down.

If that is correct then Raheem did a poor job of coaching....

I disagree with that. It was under 2 mins so he can't challenge the spot.

His two options were to argue the spot or coach his defense to stop them. He chose to coach. Thankfully, karma came thru in the end.

no he can't challenge under the 2 minute warning, but as the DC it's his job to know what yard line is needed for the opponent to get a first down.....the ball was not marked in a spot that indicated a first down, even the Fox guys called is 2nd down right as the play ended and before  and TV lines were placed on the screen.....Argueing the spot IS coaching so I dont understand your logic behind that....Karma won this game for us, but Raheem has done this numerous times before in critical parts of the game ( atlanta game on the 3rd down run )..... his decision to "coach" almost cost us to go into O.T vs Washington......both times it cost us!!

[Chaos]

Chaos tries so hard and keeps coming up short.

The fact of the matter is it was a human error most likely compounded not only by the refs but by the side judges/ chain crew in  really **CENSORED**ty weather conditions. Life goes on. Even thought the official answer is that everything is honky dory I'd be floored if they havent addressed this, or plan to, internally with all parties involved.

and yet your answer to all of this is that 'it was just an honest mistake" ?  I'm sure the unchallenged spot in Atlanta was an honest mistake too huh?

[NotDeadYet]

    True, from the ref's perspective there was no extra down, as they considered the pass for 9 yards to have been enough for a first down. Once, again, we got a bad spot of the ball; that was no first down. Not the first time this has happened to us this season... No idea WHY this was not subject to booth review...

[ryan24]

For any of you guys who recorded this game and watched it back, it's obvious there was no 5th down and that the guy got a first down on that first play.   The TV station had the yellow first down line in the wrong spot.   All you have to do is look at the marker on the field and see that the guy had the first down easily.   He didn't make it to that yellow line, but that yellow line was a full yard further downfield than the actual down marker.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[ryan24]

no he can't challenge under the 2 minute warning, but as the DC it's his job to know what yard line is needed for the opponent to get a first down.....the ball was not marked in a spot that indicated a first down, even the Fox guys called is 2nd down right as the play ended and before  and TV lines were placed on the screen.....Argueing the spot IS coaching so I dont understand your logic behind that....Karma won this game for us, but Raheem has done this numerous times before in critical parts of the game ( atlanta game on the 3rd down run )..... his decision to "coach" almost cost us to go into O.T vs Washington......both times it cost us!!

So what did you want Raheem to do?

[dbucfan]

For any of you guys who recorded this game and watched it back, it's obvious there was no 5th down and that the guy got a first down on that first play.   The TV station had the yellow first down line in the wrong spot.   All you have to do is look at the marker on the field and see that the guy had the first down easily.   He didn't make it to that yellow line, but that yellow line was a full yard further downfield than the actual down marker.

5 plays from the 12 yardline - without going 10 yards for a first down as prescribed in the rules - (got to the 3 yard line - close)

[dbucfan]

no he can't challenge under the 2 minute warning, but as the DC it's his job to know what yard line is needed for the opponent to get a first down.....the ball was not marked in a spot that indicated a first down, even the Fox guys called is 2nd down right as the play ended and before  and TV lines were placed on the screen.....Argueing the spot IS coaching so I dont understand your logic behind that....Karma won this game for us, but Raheem has done this numerous times before in critical parts of the game ( atlanta game on the 3rd down run )..... his decision to "coach" almost cost us to go into O.T vs Washington......both times it cost us!!

So what did you want Raheem to do?

If someone notice the misalignment of the yardage markers - he could have pointed it out.  If someone had done some quick math - 12-10=2 then he could have noted the one marker on the 12 and the other on the 3 and said WTF.  If in the first game he did what he could do to get the ball spotted correctly IIRC - without a challenge of the spotting of the ball

[BuccaNova]

Y'know, I was at that game. Not one buc fan, player, or coach present --all of whom were very much involved in the game and paying fairly close attention-- doubted that washington had gotten that first down. Look at your precious tv pictures, are there any players objecting like there usually are even on close calls?  I agree with what what Shanny and Rah said --this is more an illusion of television angles, bad scorekeeping, and rabid fandom. No one on the field was in any doubt about what had happened on that play, even those who very much wished it hadn't. Point to your angled tv pictures all you want. I don't think there is any fire under all this smoke.