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#15 : January 03, 2011, 09:52:41 AM

Rule out K or QB. Running back you can pretty much rule out too because we're not picking Ingram and he's the only RB projected to go by 20. We won't go WR or DT either.
So realistically we'd pick DE, LB, CB, S, OT, OG or C.
A pick like Ayers or Miller is projected to go around 20 is the most realistic fit. Pouncey is also projected to go around there, but LB is a greater need than C.
Watt is projected to go second round, but is rising. A lot of the other DEs are projected to go in the 20s, but IMHO are overrated (the three or four-sack type guys that wind up as busts).

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#16 : January 03, 2011, 09:56:12 AM

and why are we behind the giants?


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#17 : January 03, 2011, 10:00:33 AM

I've said it a few times. Kerrigan is not a premier pass rusher in the NFL, and that is the #1 thing this team needs. Kerrigan will likely be there at #20, but he should not be the pick for the Bucs. The Bucs need to find a way to land  Quinn, Von Miller, or Aldon Smith (if he comes out). They may well have to move up to do it, because they are competing with 3-4 teams for those players, but those are the top pass rush specialist in the draft. If the Bucs can't land one of those 3, the best option may be trading down a few picks and grabbing Jeremy Beal.

no, we don't need what pre-draft is considered the best pass rushing "specialists"....what we need is an upgrade at the position of DE....kerrigan provides that.....sure, he's not going to get 15 sacks a year...what he's going to do is be a defensive leader, he's going to be a high character guy and a fan favorite, he's going to play every down and be equally good at both run and pass, he's going to have a high motor, and he's going to use great technique and underrated game speed to be in position to make plays and be productive...and most of all, he's going to be a great member of our TEAM

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#18 : January 03, 2011, 10:02:15 AM

Definitely needs to be a weighting system by need.

I'm not sure I'd go that far.  (Well, except that I think it makes sense to drop need to 0 in certain cases, like for first round quarterback for teams that already have their guy).  I just think it's an unrealistic oversimplification to assume that there's always one, clear "best" prospect available.

For example, ESPN's list has Julio Jones and Cameron Jordan ranked 17th and 18th respectively and both as 93s.  (I'm just using ESPNs list as an example, not because it's rating are noteably meaningful.)  Now,  I'm not sure that Jordan would actually be all that great of a fit for us, but let's pretend for the sake of argument that we needed a 5-tech.  I'd be *perfectly* ok with the team taking Jordan before Jones, even though Jones is ranked higher.  Because seriously, how can you *really* say that a 93 rated WR is better than a 93 rated DE?
: January 03, 2011, 10:04:57 AM acacius

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#19 : January 03, 2011, 10:03:22 AM

and why are we behind the giants?

Oddly enough, given how much we've heard about our schedule, their SoS is weaker.  As a result, they won the tiebreaker for draft position.
: January 03, 2011, 10:05:43 AM acacius

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#20 : January 03, 2011, 10:08:55 AM

The biggest need is without a doubt a speed rushing DE but the question is will the right guy be there at # 20 without reaching? 

Do we want Dominik to trade up and be agressive to take the DE they think is the best guy for the Bucs and trade away picks that Dominik has shown he can put to excellent use to continue to build up the depth of this team?  Or do we sit tight at #20, keep our picks and if the BPA is a CB or LB or OL, take that player to continue stockpiling this team with the best players available.  That really is the question for me.  Are the Bucs so far along in year 2 that we are now just looking for a couple of players or do we still fill the cupboards with young talent and let the cream rise to the top. 

I think how aggressive we are in FA will dictate where Dominik sits regarding this question.  If we can add a couple of good quality players to the Defense at key positions, we can be a little more aggressive in the draft and move up to get a specific player.  If the Bucs are again real quiet in FA, then I think we will just wait and see how is available at #20 and continue to stockpile young talent

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#21 : January 03, 2011, 10:10:11 AM

I've said it a few times. Kerrigan is not a premier pass rusher in the NFL, and that is the #1 thing this team needs. Kerrigan will likely be there at #20, but he should not be the pick for the Bucs. The Bucs need to find a way to land  Quinn, Von Miller, or Aldon Smith (if he comes out). They may well have to move up to do it, because they are competing with 3-4 teams for those players, but those are the top pass rush specialist in the draft. If the Bucs can't land one of those 3, the best option may be trading down a few picks and grabbing Jeremy Beal.

no, we don't need what pre-draft is considered the best pass rushing "specialists"....what we need is an upgrade at the position of DE....kerrigan provides that.....sure, he's not going to get 15 sacks a year...what he's going to do is be a defensive leader, he's going to be a high character guy and a fan favorite, he's going to play every down and be equally good at both run and pass, he's going to have a high motor, and he's going to use great technique and underrated game speed to be in position to make plays and be productive...and most of all, he's going to be a great member of our TEAM

Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Andrew Luck -- NFC South will be far and away the division with the best QB's in the whole NFL. Pass rush is the #1 priority. Let 3rd round pick D-Lineman like Alex McGee stop the run. Our #1 pick needs to be able to rush the passer.

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#22 : January 03, 2011, 10:19:19 AM

I've said it a few times. Kerrigan is not a premier pass rusher in the NFL, and that is the #1 thing this team needs. Kerrigan will likely be there at #20, but he should not be the pick for the Bucs. The Bucs need to find a way to land  Quinn, Von Miller, or Aldon Smith (if he comes out). They may well have to move up to do it, because they are competing with 3-4 teams for those players, but those are the top pass rush specialist in the draft. If the Bucs can't land one of those 3, the best option may be trading down a few picks and grabbing Jeremy Beal.

no, we don't need what pre-draft is considered the best pass rushing "specialists"....what we need is an upgrade at the position of DE....kerrigan provides that.....sure, he's not going to get 15 sacks a year...what he's going to do is be a defensive leader, he's going to be a high character guy and a fan favorite, he's going to play every down and be equally good at both run and pass, he's going to have a high motor, and he's going to use great technique and underrated game speed to be in position to make plays and be productive...and most of all, he's going to be a great member of our TEAM

Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Andrew Luck -- NFC South will be far and away the division with the best QB's in the whole NFL. Pass rush is the #1 priority. Let 3rd round pick D-Lineman like Alex McGee stop the run. Our #1 pick needs to be able to rush the passer.

and what makes you think kerrigan can't rush the passer....he'll be the best pass rusher in the draft.

The pass rushing "specialists" are the guys who are most likely to bust, and even if they do turn out good, there "good" will be getting sacks in bunches every once and a while, but being useless and even a liability when they aren't getting sacks.

It's basically like this....we can draft a mike alstott type player in kerrigan....a high character guy who will be a great teammate, will be productive, will be a fan favorite, and will get the job done and make clutch plays....or, we can shoot for a chris johnson, but risk getting a reggie bush.....either way, we'll be getting a diva and in johnsons case, a guy who isn't the best teammate...sure, he might make plays..but those aren't the guys who win championships....I'd take alstott over johnson every day of the week....that's the comparison with kerrigan compared to guys like quinn

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#23 : January 03, 2011, 10:26:14 AM

Here is an option that could certainly help for a year or two and be a mentor for whoever we draft at DE:


Impending free agent DE Andre Carter doesn't expect to be back with the Redskins in 2011.

Mike Shanahan's conversion of Carter from end to outside linebacker predictably failed, and his sack total fell from a team-high 11 in 2009 to 2.5. Carter's contract has voided, so he's scheduled for unrestricted free agency. The 31-year-old won't have trouble finding work as a situational pass rusher.

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#24 : January 03, 2011, 10:52:45 AM

No thanks. We need studs who are around 27 or 28 with four or five good years left, not 31 YOs with one or none.

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#25 : January 03, 2011, 10:55:05 AM

 BPA of DE/MLB.  second round can be the same but start looking for OL as well.  3rd round the same but start looking at TE's also.

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#26 : January 03, 2011, 10:55:20 AM

I've said it a few times. Kerrigan is not a premier pass rusher in the NFL, and that is the #1 thing this team needs. Kerrigan will likely be there at #20, but he should not be the pick for the Bucs. The Bucs need to find a way to land  Quinn, Von Miller, or Aldon Smith (if he comes out). They may well have to move up to do it, because they are competing with 3-4 teams for those players, but those are the top pass rush specialist in the draft. If the Bucs can't land one of those 3, the best option may be trading down a few picks and grabbing Jeremy Beal.

no, we don't need what pre-draft is considered the best pass rushing "specialists"....what we need is an upgrade at the position of DE....kerrigan provides that.....sure, he's not going to get 15 sacks a year...what he's going to do is be a defensive leader, he's going to be a high character guy and a fan favorite, he's going to play every down and be equally good at both run and pass, he's going to have a high motor, and he's going to use great technique and underrated game speed to be in position to make plays and be productive...and most of all, he's going to be a great member of our TEAM

Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Andrew Luck -- NFC South will be far and away the division with the best QB's in the whole NFL. Pass rush is the #1 priority. Let 3rd round pick D-Lineman like Alex McGee stop the run. Our #1 pick needs to be able to rush the passer.

and what makes you think kerrigan can't rush the passer....he'll be the best pass rusher in the draft.

The pass rushing "specialists" are the guys who are most likely to bust, and even if they do turn out good, there "good" will be getting sacks in bunches every once and a while, but being useless and even a liability when they aren't getting sacks.

It's basically like this....we can draft a mike alstott type player in kerrigan....a high character guy who will be a great teammate, will be productive, will be a fan favorite, and will get the job done and make clutch plays....or, we can shoot for a chris johnson, but risk getting a reggie bush.....either way, we'll be getting a diva and in johnsons case, a guy who isn't the best teammate...sure, he might make plays..but those aren't the guys who win championships....I'd take alstott over johnson every day of the week....that's the comparison with kerrigan compared to guys like quinn

Who was the last non-speed rush LDE to put up 10+ sacks his first 2 years? What do any of the D-Lineman we are comparing have to do with Alstott, Chris Johnson, or Reggie Bush?

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#27 : January 03, 2011, 11:09:35 AM

I say we take 2 DE's at the top of the draft like they did with McCoy and Price. I would like it if they could land Kerrigan and JJ Watt to play the Ends.


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#28 : January 03, 2011, 11:15:02 AM

I've said it a few times. Kerrigan is not a premier pass rusher in the NFL, and that is the #1 thing this team needs. Kerrigan will likely be there at #20, but he should not be the pick for the Bucs. The Bucs need to find a way to land  Quinn, Von Miller, or Aldon Smith (if he comes out). They may well have to move up to do it, because they are competing with 3-4 teams for those players, but those are the top pass rush specialist in the draft. If the Bucs can't land one of those 3, the best option may be trading down a few picks and grabbing Jeremy Beal.

no, we don't need what pre-draft is considered the best pass rushing "specialists"....what we need is an upgrade at the position of DE....kerrigan provides that.....sure, he's not going to get 15 sacks a year...what he's going to do is be a defensive leader, he's going to be a high character guy and a fan favorite, he's going to play every down and be equally good at both run and pass, he's going to have a high motor, and he's going to use great technique and underrated game speed to be in position to make plays and be productive...and most of all, he's going to be a great member of our TEAM

Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Andrew Luck -- NFC South will be far and away the division with the best QB's in the whole NFL. Pass rush is the #1 priority. Let 3rd round pick D-Lineman like Alex McGee stop the run. Our #1 pick needs to be able to rush the passer.

and what makes you think kerrigan can't rush the passer....he'll be the best pass rusher in the draft.

The pass rushing "specialists" are the guys who are most likely to bust, and even if they do turn out good, there "good" will be getting sacks in bunches every once and a while, but being useless and even a liability when they aren't getting sacks.

It's basically like this....we can draft a mike alstott type player in kerrigan....a high character guy who will be a great teammate, will be productive, will be a fan favorite, and will get the job done and make clutch plays....or, we can shoot for a chris johnson, but risk getting a reggie bush.....either way, we'll be getting a diva and in johnsons case, a guy who isn't the best teammate...sure, he might make plays..but those aren't the guys who win championships....I'd take alstott over johnson every day of the week....that's the comparison with kerrigan compared to guys like quinn

Who was the last non-speed rush LDE to put up 10+ sacks his first 2 years? What do any of the D-Lineman we are comparing have to do with Alstott, Chris Johnson, or Reggie Bush?

First of all, kerrigan is not an LDE...he's a guy that can play either position, but will probably be RDE...second of all, Jared Allen had 9 sacks his first year and 11 his 2nd...

Also, I'm not sure how you didn't get the analogy....we could get the high character, team first, fan favorite type of guy who gives it his all and is less likely to bust....or, we could get the risky diva, who has a big chance of busting, and even if he does pan out, will get scattered sacks and than suck the rest of the time, while also not being the best teammate. Which would you rather have?

Bellichick has created the best football team of the 00's by fllling up his roster with kerrigan type players. If we want to be like that for the 10's, we have to follow that module.

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#29 : January 03, 2011, 11:17:34 AM

As long as this draft addresses defense in it's first few picks, I'll be fine with it. 
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