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« #60 : January 10, 2011, 01:46:36 PM »

Been trawling a number of articles and boards about this and I find it extremely ironic the general response from those of a liberal bent is :

 "Those dumb, stupid, right wing Tea Party nutjobs should shut their foul stupid cake holes"

Really, why would you find this extremely ironic?

I hope you're being sarcastic, because if not, this too would be extremely ironic.

Of course I am not being sarcastic.

it actually sounds like you don't know the meaning of the word. In essence the definition of the word means "happening in a way not expected"
Since you found that comment after "trawling" what you describe as boards and articles of a "liberal bent" then this is exactly what one would expect.

I can see the hypocrisy in the statement. But that too is also very common and to be expected from anyone espousing left or right philosophies.

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« #61 : January 10, 2011, 02:14:34 PM »

I have a limited amount of support and facts.  Morgan has an unlimited amount of stupidity.  I don't know why I try.


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« #62 : January 10, 2011, 02:15:45 PM »

Been trawling a number of articles and boards about this and I find it extremely ironic the general response from those of a liberal bent is :

 "Those dumb, stupid, right wing Tea Party nutjobs should shut their foul stupid cake holes"

Really, why would you find this extremely ironic?

I hope you're being sarcastic, because if not, this too would be extremely ironic.

Of course I am not being sarcastic.

it actually sounds like you don't know the meaning of the word. In essence the definition of the word means "happening in a way not expected"
Since you found that comment after "trawling" what you describe as boards and articles of a "liberal bent" then this is exactly what one would expect.

I can see the hypocrisy in the statement. But that too is also very common and to be expected from anyone espousing left or right philosophies.

Here, I just looked it up to make sure I had it 100% correct. This was the sole definition found :

"happening in the opposite way to what is expected, and typically causing wry amusement because of this."

Not looking for a debate on usage here. I was just genuinely curious about what you meant.

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« #63 : January 10, 2011, 02:54:22 PM »

The ultimate fear monger Glen Beck was interesting to listen to this a.m. - deflecting all blame toward the left wing media claiming they were to blame for this incident in Arizona - sort of preemptive on his part. He did use Michelle Malkin's rightwinger's talking points pointing a finger at Bush/Palin haters in the past. Very interesting how our country has declined with these fear monger types from both sides of the political spectrum:

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/


All of these people are scary, imo.  Might be time to move to Costa Rico.



Really, that's what you heard? Maybe you just heard how the media and certain politicians are to blame for "politising" this incident because what I heard was this, "“The killer this weekend had an individual choice: Kill or don’t kill. He chose. He was insane. But now the media and the politicians have a choice: Use this for your own political purposes or be bigger than that. America demands bigger people. America deserves bigger people. Because there are those on the left and the right, and we’ve been doing research over the weekend on the left and the right who do believe violence is the answer. I am not one of them.”

This country hasn't "declined" because this kind of debate has been going on in just as intense a climate since the very beginning of our country, but of course that was 220+ years ago, in a different time, right.

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« #64 : January 10, 2011, 03:05:42 PM »

Bloodshed and Invective in Arizona
Published: January 9, 2011

   

She read the First Amendment on the House floor — including the guarantee of “the right of the people peaceably to assemble” — and then flew home to Arizona to put those words into practice. But when Gabrielle Giffords tried to meet with her constituents in a Tucson parking lot on Saturday, she came face to face with an environment wholly at odds with that constitutional ideal, and she nearly paid for it with her life.
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Jared Loughner, the man accused of shooting Ms. Giffords, killing a federal judge and five other people, and wounding 13 others, appears to be mentally ill. His paranoid Internet ravings about government mind control place him well beyond usual ideological categories.

But he is very much a part of a widespread squall of fear, anger and intolerance that has produced violent threats against scores of politicians and infected the political mainstream with violent imagery. With easy and legal access to semiautomatic weapons like the one used in the parking lot, those already teetering on the edge of sanity can turn a threat into a nightmare.

Last spring, Capitol security officials said threats against members of Congress had tripled over the previous year, almost all from opponents of health care reform. An effigy of Representative Frank Kratovil Jr., a Maryland Democrat, was hung from a gallows outside his district office. Ms. Giffords’s district office door was smashed after the health vote, possibly by a bullet.

The federal judge who was killed, John Roll, had received hundreds of menacing phone calls and death threats, especially after he allowed a case to proceed against a rancher accused of assaulting 16 Mexicans as they tried to cross his land. This rage, stirred by talk-radio hosts, required marshals to give the judge and his family 24-hour protection for a month. Around the nation, threats to federal judges have soared for a decade.

It is facile and mistaken to attribute this particular madman’s act directly to Republicans or Tea Party members. But it is legitimate to hold Republicans and particularly their most virulent supporters in the media responsible for the gale of anger that has produced the vast majority of these threats, setting the nation on edge. Many on the right have exploited the arguments of division, reaping political power by demonizing immigrants, or welfare recipients, or bureaucrats. They seem to have persuaded many Americans that the government is not just misguided, but the enemy of the people.

That whirlwind has touched down most forcefully in Arizona, which Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik described after the shooting as the capital of “the anger, the hatred and the bigotry that goes on in this country.” Anti-immigrant sentiment in the state, firmly opposed by Ms. Giffords, has reached the point where Latino studies programs that advocate ethnic solidarity have actually been made illegal.

Its gun laws are among the most lenient, allowing even a disturbed man like Mr. Loughner to buy a pistol and carry it concealed without a special permit. That was before the Tucson rampage. Now, having seen first hand the horror of political violence, Arizona should lead the nation in quieting the voices of intolerance, demanding an end to the temptations of bloodshed, and imposing sensible controls on its instruments.





http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10mon1.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&nl=opinion&emc=tyb1

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« #65 : January 10, 2011, 03:26:39 PM »

Dem. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy Plans New Gun Control Bill in Wake of Giffords Shooting

Democratic Rep. Carolyn McCarthy of New York plans to introduce legislation in the coming days that would limit access to the type of weaponry used to gun down Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D) and 19 other people.

Giffords remains in critical condition after 22-year-old alleged gunman Jared Loughner open fired at a town hall-style meeting at a Tuscon grocery store on Saturday. Twenty people were shot and six were killed. The shocking incident prompted the House of Representatives to call off this week's planned business and has spurred some lawmakers to propose some new laws related to the shooting, including McCarthy's proposals.

McCarthy today will officially announce she is working on a bill targeting the high-capacity ammunition clips the gunman allegedly used in the shooting, as Politico first reported.

"My staff is working on looking at the different legislation fixes that we might be able to do and we might be able to introduce as early as tomorrow," she told Politico.

The congresswoman plans to discuss the legislation this week with Speaker John Boehner and Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, her staff confirms to CBSNews.com.

"We need to look at how this is going to work, to protect people, certainly citizens, and we have to look at what I can pass," McCarthy said. "I don't want to give the NRA - excuse the pun - the ammunition to come at me either."

The Glock 19 9mm semi-automatic pistol the alleged shooter used was purchased legally. The gun's high capacity magazine would have been illegal under the assault weapons ban, which Congress allowed to expire in 2004.

Arizona's gun laws are some of the most lax in the nation, the Washington Post reports. Any law-abiding resident older than 18 can purchase a firearm, and Loughner passed the federally-required instant background check.

Meanwhile, Democratic Rep. Robert Brady of Pennsylvania plans to introduce a bill to make it a federal crime to use language or symbols that could be perceived as threatening or inciting violence against a member of Congress or federal official, CNN reports.

"The president is a federal official," Brady said. "You can't do it to him; you should not be able to do it to a congressman, senator or federal judge."

Saturday's shooting has led to a national debate over whether the current climate of partisan rancor led to the shooting.

"This is not a wake up call, this is major alarms going off," Brady said. He took specific issue with some of the rhetoric used by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

"You can't put bulls eyes or crosshairs on a United States congressman or a federal official," he said. "I understand this web site that had it on there is no longer in existence. Someone is feeling a little guilty."

A staffer for Palin over the weekend insisted there was nothing wrong with the crosshairs imagery Palin used during the 2010 elections and that the ex-governor had nothing to do with the tragedy.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20027986-503544.html

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« #66 : January 10, 2011, 03:45:23 PM »

  Time for politicians to reconsider car control.


They already do.



Yes, perhaps if I was the NIMROD that posted this allegation that a "right-wing, nut-job, Tea Party" type shot this congress woman - I'd start trying to deflect the negative HAMMERING by posting silly pictures of OTHER people, as well.

Don't worry morgan, you're no different than the liberal, leftists of our media and who desperately awoke that morning hoping against hope to be able to FINALLY link a Tea Party Patriot to a whack-job assasination attempt.

You, like them, don't bother to investigate - you just rush to judgement - like Sherriff Clarence of PIMA county Arizona. He was so convinced he'd find a Tea Party whacko, he completely missed the YET ANOTHER LEFTIST WHACKO.

Seems like the only folks taking handguns and shooting folks in this country are the Islamo-Fascists - and the left wing socialists?

Ironic, isn't it?

Most American's who have guns - know how and when to use them.

Most governments bent on enslaving their own people - confiscate the guns.

Look at that leftist nut job in Germany - Adolf something - confiscated ALL weapons, then started confiscating all the people he didn't like.

You wouldn't dare try that in this country.

Then there would be something to shout about.

Right now - just ANOTHER example where your stereo-type is slightly off -but you may need to start looking over your LEFT shoulder in a crowded political meeting.

Those folks - all over the world - are really angry and they like taking to the streets.

Most of 'em are easy to spot though.

They're either wearing red, or purple.

The leftist, anti-democracy/anti-capitalist revolutionaries of Russia wore red scarves(1917), the ones in Italy wore black shirts (1920's), while those in Germany wore brown shirts (1920's).

morgan, what color is your shirt?
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« #67 : January 10, 2011, 03:53:59 PM »

Been trawling a number of articles and boards about this and I find it extremely ironic the general response from those of a liberal bent is :

 "Those dumb, stupid, right wing Tea Party nutjobs should shut their foul stupid cake holes"

Really, why would you find this extremely ironic?

I hope you're being sarcastic, because if not, this too would be extremely ironic.

Of course I am not being sarcastic.

it actually sounds like you don't know the meaning of the word. In essence the definition of the word means "happening in a way not expected"
Since you found that comment after "trawling" what you describe as boards and articles of a "liberal bent" then this is exactly what one would expect.

I can see the hypocrisy in the statement. But that too is also very common and to be expected from anyone espousing left or right philosophies.

Here, I just looked it up to make sure I had it 100% correct. This was the sole definition found :

"happening in the opposite way to what is expected, and typically causing wry amusement because of this."

Not looking for a debate on usage here. I was just genuinely curious about what you meant.

Ok, I didn't want to start a lecture if you were just being sarcastic/facetious/dry.

The current vitriolic screaming is that the previous vitriolic screaming caused the shooting to occur. Bit like saying "don't be rude you jackass," you are doing exactly what you are criticizing the other party of doing.

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« #68 : January 10, 2011, 04:10:34 PM »

What's interesting is how the left thinks this political discourse is new... It's actually been much worse in the past...

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
-Thomas Jefferson

And this is the dude that wrote our Declaration of Independence. He's one of the men that is responsible for the creation of the United States. I bet a lot of people would want Tom locked up if he were alive today saying those things promoting rebellion and bloodshed. He'd be a political radical for sure.

Im not saying Tom here is right or wrong. That's a different debate. The point Im trying to make is that this "angry rhetoric" the liberals are so mad about is not new. It's always existed. Go back to the Civil War and the politics was extremely ugly. You had fist fights on the floors of legislatures. It's actually quite amazing the country came out of that period in one piece.

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« #69 : January 10, 2011, 04:30:54 PM »

To be honest, I think we should just put this to bed and leave it alone for now, say a prayer for those who have lost family members and show a bit more respect. I tried to enter this in the correct frame of mind but have to admit that I may have gotten caught up in it all.

Morgan, if you have an ounce of decency about you lock this thread please.

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« #70 : January 10, 2011, 04:39:31 PM »

It's not the conservatives that jumped to conclusions on this. The second the bullets were fired the far left and that stupid sheriff politicized the whole thing. And now everyone is fighting.

It's almost like the liberals were waiting for this happen.

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« #71 : January 11, 2011, 07:10:18 AM »

Don't understand why all the networks, newspapers, etc are plastering this crazy guy's mugshot on screens, front pages, etc, giving him exactly what he wanted to acheived.

And if he's crazy as he appears, how can he get the death penalty?

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