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« : January 29, 2011, 07:33:55 AM »

Very disturbing!!!

http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/january/202011/Tampa-police:-Mother-killed-two-teenage-children

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 I thought Lovie said he wanted quickness & speed, even at the QB position?

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« #1 : January 29, 2011, 08:09:42 AM »

Tragic - who knows why people do these things - and the father coming back to his family and life in ruins.

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« #2 : January 29, 2011, 08:55:54 AM »

My Wife taught the younger boy two years, ago. This is a very twisted story.

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« #3 : January 29, 2011, 11:02:35 PM »

God, I've got 2 young ones and I love them more than anything.  Can't imagine what the father is going through.

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« #4 : January 30, 2011, 10:09:33 PM »

If you guys only knew what happened and why....SAD!!

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« #5 : January 31, 2011, 12:02:55 AM »

Man, this happened less than a mile from my place.  How sad.  Gives me the creeps.


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« #6 : January 31, 2011, 06:00:26 AM »

Looks like the mother was a linguist -

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Julie Powers Schenecker: Russian Linguist, Previously Associated with U.S. Army Intelligence, and Wife of U.S. Army Intelligence Colonel, Who’s ‘Mainly Responsible for the National Security Agency’s Support to Military Operations,’ Shot and Killed Their Two Children in Florida
cryptogon.com » Julie Powers Schenecker: Russian Linguist, Previously Associated with U.S. Army Intelligence, and Wife of U.S. Army Intelligence Colonel, Who’s ‘Mainly Responsible for the National Security Agency’s Support to Milita
January 30th, 2011

Update: Video of Perp Walk

Video Player | Tampa Bay, Clearwater, St. Petersburg | WTSP.com 10 News

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Update: 2009 Forum Post Indicates Julie Schenecker (Née Powers) Was Army MOS 97E: Human Intelligence Collector

97E: Human Intelligence Collector:

    Major Duties: The Human Intelligence Collector (HUMINT Collector) supervises and conducts tactical HUMINT collection operations that include, but are not limited to, debriefings, interrogations and elicitations in English and foreign languages for positive intelligence and force protection information; screens Human Intelligence (HUMINT) sources and documents to establish priorities for exploitation; under CI supervision, plans and participates in counterintelligence and Force Protection Operations (CFSO). Translates and exploits captured enemy documents, foreign language and open source publications. Prepares and edits appropriate intelligence and administrative reports; utilizes CI/HUMINT reporting and communications equipment; uses interpreters and manages interpreter/translator operations; conducts liaison and coordination in foreign language with host nation agencies; conducts analysis and performs briefings as required.

This 97E MOS now appears to be called Human Intelligence Collector (35M).

Via: 18th Military Intelligence Battalion Forum:

Parker Schenecker in Tampa

Postby pschenecker » Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:03 pm
This is Parker Schenecker, formerly 1LT Schenecker (Battalion S1 from 1987-88). Now, after a lot of years, and numerous oversights by the Army promotion boards, I’m COL Schenecker, the Deputy NSA rep to CENTCOM in Tampa FL. Have kept in touch with many folks from Munich (1986-90 for me, 1987-1992 for my wife, the former Russian 97E Julie Powers) over the years.

Just a recap for me. Came to Munich for duty as the Aide to the AAFES commander, BG EB Leedy…after that, I rolled over to the 18th as the S1, then went over to 66th as the HHC commander for a year; Greg Zellmer (now COL and taking command of 66th next summer) was my XO. Stint @ Huachuca as instructor and BN XO then back to Germany (Vilseck and Wurzburg). Other assignments, CONUS and Hawaii, then back to Germany in Ansbach as the Garrison commander. After 10 years in Germany, we certainly miss it! We get back as often as we can.

OK, during our time in Munich, I’ll recap come of the folks who were with us (86-90). BN Commanders (after McKay was sacked) were MAJ Mike Moak (deceased), LTC Arty Franzello (deceased), followed by COL (Ret)Tom Gandy (now @ Army G2). BN XOs were Mike Moak, followed by MAJ Bob Barrigan, followed by Barb Fast (now MG Barb Fast). BN S2 was LTC(Ret) Mark Knick. BN S3 was John Zellmer; assistant was Randy Luten. BN S4 was Gregg Potter (now BG Potter; EUCOM J2). IMO (S6) was Sam Boggs, followed by COL Rick Zoller. HHC Commander was Jeff Cleghorn. Other officers during that stint were COL Bryan DeCoster, Rob Fagan, Mike Hunter, LTC Bridget Rourke, Tony Pauroso (5th MI Cdr), Bob Beaver (5th MI Cdr), LTC (Ret) Rob Walter, Paul Muehlman, among others. Zak Szebunczek (sp?) was the Civilian Advisor.

We were all there during the “mutiny”; I’ll post a note in that forum with the details. I was the Adjutant during all that fiasco, so I had the details of the whole sordid affair…I can fill in the details on why the 18th became known as the “Love Battalion.”

Looking forward to catching up with folks from one of the best units in the Army…and certainly the best location for an assignment one could even imagine.

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More: Was Julie Powers Schenecker a First Sergeant?

Via: 18th Military Intelligence Battalion Forum:

Re: What do you not miss the most about the military?

Postby Julie Powers Schenecker » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:30 pm
1SG McMillin’s white glove inspections of our barracks rooms.
He once told me that I couldn’t have my pink cannondale parked in my living room to which 1SG Mack replied, “that bike is worth more than your CAR, 1SG!”(the bike was allowed to remain inside)
…i do not miss Frank Wiswell ‘bleeding’ all over my carbon copy reports! And I certainly don’t miss the electric typewriters we had to use!!
Ladies, do we not miss the cobblestone on McGraw that trashed our heels of our pumps?
…i do not miss doing a urinalysis in front of senior females or getting taped(fat measuring tool) by SFC Sikorski.
And I certainly don’t miss the annual walk home from the starck bier fest!!
Julie Powers Schenecker

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According to the St. Petersburg Times article below:

    Parker Schenecker met Julie Powers in Munich, Germany, where they were both stationed in the late ’80s and early ’90s.

    She worked as a Russian linguist for the Army, collecting intelligence for European agencies by interviewing refugees coming from the Eastern Bloc, said Tim Fredrikson, who served with her.

Was Julie Schenecker a CIA or NSA officer who was attached to the Army Intelligence unit? Or, if she was in the Army, what was her rank?

Via: St. Petersburg Times:

Julie Schenecker was sick of her teenage children talking back to her, police say, so last week she bought a .38-caliber pistol and planned their murders and her suicide.

She shot her 13-year-old son Thursday evening after driving him home from soccer practice. Then she walked upstairs and shot her 16-year-old daughter in the back of the head as she did homework, an arrest affidavit states.

With their blood on her clothing, the 50-year-old mother remained at the Tampa Palms house all night. Police didn’t arrive until the next morning, after Schenecker’s mother called them from Texas, worried because she couldn’t reach her daughter, whom she believed was depressed.

Schenecker admitted killing her children, Calyx Schenecker, 16, and Powers Beau Schenecker, 13, police said. She showed no remorse.

Though Schenecker cooperated Friday, police spokeswoman Laura McElroy said no explanation could help people truly understand why it happened.

“She did tell us that they talked back and they were mouthy,” she said.

The children’s father, Army Col. Parker Schenecker, 48, was informed Friday that his wife killed their children, McElroy said. He is stationed at Central Command at MacDill Air Force Base and was in the Middle East.

Neighbors said they have seen police cars at the home at 16305 Royal Park Court before, though not often.

The Department of Children and Families said it investigated the family about two months ago after getting a complaint. The tip was determined to be unfounded and the case closed. Spokesman Terry Field said he couldn’t elaborate.

Several out-of-state family members declined to comment Friday, but neighbors and school officials described the children as bright, polite and athletic.

“Calyx was a very sweet girl, always soft-spoken, always quiet — a real sweetheart,” neighbor Seema Jain said. “I just can’t comprehend why this has happened to them.”

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Parker Schenecker met Julie Powers in Munich, Germany, where they were both stationed in the late ’80s and early ’90s.

She worked as a Russian linguist for the Army, collecting intelligence for European agencies by interviewing refugees coming from the Eastern Bloc, said Tim Fredrikson, who served with her.

He was a rising intelligence officer who had graduated *** laude with a French degree from Washington and Lee University in Virginia, where the school yearbook is named the “Calyx.”

In Munich, Julie organized and coached a volleyball team of officers, said K.C. Dreller, another intelligence officer who worked with her.

“She was super good at it,” said Dreller, 49. “I imagine she was super good at everything she did. Anybody that was in that field was a Type A personality.”

The couple married and had two children, Calyx in Germany and Powers, who went by “Beau,” in Honolulu.

The military family moved a lot, and Parker Schenecker studied at several military schools, including the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College and the U.S. Army War College, according to a 2010 bulletin on distinguished alumni, published on his high school’s website.

The newsletter also said he became a colonel in 2006 and was mainly responsible for the National Security Agency’s support to military operations.

About three years ago the family landed in Tampa.

Parker is assigned to U.S. Central Command’s intelligence directorate and has worked for CentCom for more than two years, said Lt. Col. Mike Lawhorn, a spokesman. He was on a temporary duty assignment overseas the past few days.

Julie Schenecker, no longer in the Army, stayed home with their children. She took shifts driving in the neighborhood’s King High School car pool and often referred to the struggles of parenting in seemingly light-hearted Facebook posts.

On May 7, a friend wrote, “Happy Mother’s/Hallmark day to all the mothers. You are more brave than I. Not sure how you do it, but glad you do.”

Julie responded: “some days, not sure how we do it, either!! :-) ”

On Sept. 23, a friend posted on his profile: “Hold yourself to a higher standard than anybody else expects of you.”

Julie commented: “i needed that advice today — have a 16 yr old daughter!”

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Beau attended Liberty Middle School and played soccer. The young teen could often be found playing basketball, street hockey or other games with friends in the cul-de-sac.

Calyx was in the 10th grade in the pre-International Baccalaureate program at King High. She was a talented artist, took part in speech and debate and formed a Harry Potter fan club.

Principal Carla Bruning described her as an excellent student who was popular, sweet and enthusiastic.

“She was a great kid, the kind you would want to clone,” Bruning said.

Gary Bingham, who coached Calyx in cross country and track, called her “the fastest freshman I ever had.”

She was quirky, he said, a girl fascinated by bugs and funny-looking leaves on the running trails. She was easy-going and bubbly — smart, too.

At track practice Thursday afternoon, Calyx, a distance runner with long legs, decided to also give hurdles a try.

“She went over a hurdle and fell face first,” Bingham said. “She got up just laughing.”

Bingham expected to see his runner again at a 5K race today. Instead, he consoled his track team Friday and thought of Calyx’s father.

“He leaves here with a family and comes back with nothing,” Bingham said.

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The scene Friday morning was ghastly. Beau was still in the van, Calyx by the computer. It didn’t look like they struggled. “The children never saw it coming,” McElroy said.

Inside the house, police found a detailed note that explained how their mother planned to kill them, then herself. As they processed the scene, the department’s Critical Incident Stress Management team was on hand to counsel the investigators, all parents.

Schenecker told police she shot her son in the head “for talking back to her” as she drove him to soccer practice, an arrest affidavit states.

About 3:30 p.m., authorities led her from Tampa police headquarters. She wore a white, plastic outfit, the type given to suspects when their clothing is seized as evidence.

She did not answer questions from reporters and mumbled to herself as deputies escorted her into the Orient Road Jail.

She shook uncontrollably, and deputies took her to the medical unit to be screened, said Sheriff’s Office spokesman Larry McKinnon.

Deputies planned to monitor her around the clock.
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« #7 : January 31, 2011, 10:41:16 AM »

The woman must be mentally ill.  A tradgedy.

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« #8 : January 31, 2011, 11:16:45 AM »

Severe depression - probably had a murder-suicide plan, but didn't commit the suicide part of the plan. Can't imagine how the brain functions like that to allow her to commit those acts.

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« #9 : January 31, 2011, 12:20:04 PM »

Severe depression - probably had a murder-suicide plan, but didn't commit the suicide part of the plan. Can't imagine how the brain functions like that to allow her to commit those acts.

Me either, luckily I've never had to deal with any serious depresion.  Its hard to even grasp how depressed people must get when they follow through on these kinds of acts.

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« #10 : January 31, 2011, 01:23:58 PM »


I've been all over crazy land and know it well. It's very unusual for a woman to kill her teenage children, but this has all the hallmarks of a "family annihilator." Most of the time they're men, and when it is a woman, usually the children are still very young. At its root, this is a boundary issue. People with a distorted sense of self use outside sources to define to themselves who they are. They may see their children not as separate people but as an extension of themselves. When they turn their fury inwards and feel like they must annihilate themselves to alleviate the pain, doing away with the extended self would be the first step in that process. They can not picture their children as having an existence without them.

And that's about the most over-simplified, chopped up explanation I've ever seen.

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« #11 : January 31, 2011, 05:58:52 PM »

Interesting - thanks. Here's a newsweek article on the subject.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/02/10/inside-the-minds-of-family-annihilators.html


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« #12 : February 01, 2011, 12:50:30 AM »


I've been all over crazy land and know it well. It's very unusual for a woman to kill her teenage children, but this has all the hallmarks of a "family annihilator." Most of the time they're men, and when it is a woman, usually the children are still very young. At its root, this is a boundary issue. People with a distorted sense of self use outside sources to define to themselves who they are. They may see their children not as separate people but as an extension of themselves. When they turn their fury inwards and feel like they must annihilate themselves to alleviate the pain, doing away with the extended self would be the first step in that process. They can not picture their children as having an existence without them.

And that's about the most over-simplified, chopped up explanation I've ever seen.

And you dare claim that I need professional help?  You are sick.  Should have expected it from anyone that lives more than 90 miles from the closest Wal-Mart.

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« #13 : February 01, 2011, 06:53:35 AM »

TAMPA — As authorities seek to unravel the case of a woman who police say admitted killing her two teenagers, much of the focus will be on her mental state, how it may have fueled the crimes and how it could affect her fate in the legal system.

Experts who study the phenomenon of women who intentionally kill their children say that in many ways Julie Schenecker — a 50-year-old former Army linguist who spent much of her time in recent years raising her children — fits a familiar pattern. Such women tend to be older, well educated and seemingly devoted parents, until they turn violent.

And they tend to suffer from a mental illness, most often depression, anxiety or schizophrenia. Schenecker's health status hasn't been made public, but the extraordinary crimes, coupled with video of her shaking uncontrollably and muttering to herself have caused speculation.

"It sounds like mom was cracking under pressure here," said Cheryl Lynn Meyer, who has co-written two books on the subject.

Other factors that will be key to assessing Schenecker, experts say, are any history of substance abuse, and whether she had the support she needed to raise Powers Beau, 13, and Calyx, 16.

Her husband is assigned to U.S. Central Command's intelligence directorate and was on temporary assignment in the Middle East during the shooting.

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Meyer, a psychology professor at Wright State University in Ohio, said children die at their mothers' hands for many reasons, including abuse and neglect. In those cases, the mothers tend to be young and poor.

But when the killing appears intentional, the mothers tend to be older, better educated and often mentally ill, Meyer said. They're also likelier to kill more than one child.

Andrea Yates, for instance, was 36 when she drowned her five children in the bathtub of their Houston home in 2001. She was found to be psychotic.

Meyer said what has been revealed about the Schenecker case points to a mother buckling under escalating stress:

• Schenecker's mother, who lives in Texas, called authorities asking them to check on her daughter, whom she believed was depressed.

• Schenecker sometimes was a solo parent, due to her husband's deployment, and told authorities she was frustrated with her kids being "mouthy.''

• Calyx reported in November that her mother hit her, sparking an official inquiry in which the girl said it was unusual for her mom to strike her.

Meyer noted, though, that far more is still unknown — if she struggled with one child, why is she accused of killing both? Did she have other support — "anyone who could give her a break?''

And does she feel remorse, wonders Meyer, who says this emotion could be a sign of anxiety or depression. Lack of remorse, however, could signal psychosis, a break with reality.

Substance abuse could also prove key, experts say. Schenecker was involved in a November vehicle crash where a state trooper said she showed signs of drug impairment, although a blood test was not performed.

Dr. George Northrup, a forensic psychiatrist in Tampa, said that while people rarely become psychotic just from abusing drugs or alcohol, these substances can lower inhibitions.

"It didn't make you think something, but it greased the wheels from thought to action," he said.

Dr. Walter Afield, a Tampa psychiatrist who specializes in evaluating criminal behavior, said his first thought after hearing about Schenecker's case was that she had a physical condition such as a tumor or seizures. After seeing the video, he said drugs also could have accounted for her tremors. "She didn't look healthy," Afield said.

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If mental illness is established, can it pave the way for a successful insanity defense?

Not usually, says longtime Tampa defense lawyer John Fitzgibbons. An insanity defense "is probably the toughest defense to succeed before a jury," and generally has less than a 10 percent chance of success.

In 1990, Hillsborough County's Dorothy Dianne Rose strangled her 13-month-old daughter and 2-year-old son with the sash to her bathrobe, then slit her wrists. Rose was found not guilty by reason of insanity.

But such a defense didn't help Kristina Gaime, a Pasco County mother who is serving time after pleading guilty to killing one of her sons and trying to kill the other in 1999. During court proceedings, Gaime's sanity was an ongoing issue, with medical experts disagreeing.

Similarly, Afield said it may never be possible to fully understand why the Schenecker children died. "I've been doing this for 50 years. No one of us is able to predict who will do this," he said. "Everybody has problems that are crazy, bizarre. We all have skeletons, fantasies, but we don't act on them."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/mothers-mental-health-could-be-key-to-motive-8212-and-her-fate-in-kids/1148808

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« #14 : February 04, 2011, 03:42:34 PM »

Another sidebar to this is that those freaking wackos from the Westboro Baptist Church came down to protest at the memorial they had for the kids in Temple Terrace on Wedenesday .... Thankfully, the Florida West Coast Riders were there as a buffer to those religious nutcases.
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