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#15 : February 03, 2011, 12:46:23 PM

What we really need is someone (ahem, Biggs) to share the oline running blocking and pass pro stats from sight yet to be named...

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Yuccs stats are from that site, and those are the pass pro.

The OL's run-grades are as follows:

Penn:  -3.2
Joseph:  -19.3  (he sucks bigtime)
Faine:  -0.5
Zuttah:  -5.6
Larsen:  -4.7
Hardman:  -4.3
Lee:  -6.4
Trueblood:  -0.8

The Bucs were the 4th worst run-blocking team (while also the 3rd best rush-grade thanks to Blount and Freeman) in the league and 2nd worst pass blocking team in the league.  The OL blows at doing their jobs.  Freeman and Blount make them look good.


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#16 : February 03, 2011, 12:52:28 PM

I'd add thanks to both Lorig(44) and Purvis (80) (to a lesser extent on run blocking.)

How many snaps did each of those guys take?   Truebloods # looks out of whack due to small sample size?

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#17 : February 03, 2011, 12:52:52 PM


Penn:  -3.2
Joseph:  -19.3  (he sucks bigtime)
Faine:  -0.5
Zuttah:  -5.6
Larsen:  -4.7
Hardman:  -4.3
Lee:  -6.4
Trueblood:  -0.8


Man, Davin is bad but he's hit a whole new level, assuming this measure is from the site I'm thinking and they haven't adjusted their grading from last year.

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#18 : February 03, 2011, 12:56:36 PM

Sunny - Here is a link to google docs where I upload the excel sheet for all offensive lineman in the NFL. yes, on average centers tend to give up less pressure then any other offensive line position. But when you look at where Zuttah ranks compared to other centers and see where Faine ranks it east to see why some want the Bucs to cut ties with Faine and allow Zuttah the chance to continue to grow as a center

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AnmDmfEPx42IdFVXLWdtNkVRSUVwZC00UDFKN0VLdlE&hl=en

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#19 : February 03, 2011, 12:59:12 PM

Briggs - Yes, the stats have been cobbled together using stats from Profootball Focus.com then deduced to get pressures per pass attempt and pressure percentage.   

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#20 : February 03, 2011, 01:43:31 PM

I'd add thanks to both Lorig(44) and Purvis (80) (to a lesser extent on run blocking.)

Yeah, Lorig was a much better blocker than EG and Purvis than K2.


How many snaps did each of those guys take?   Truebloods # looks out of whack due to small sample size?

You want total snaps or the run/pass splits?



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#21 : February 03, 2011, 01:46:32 PM

Splits - please..

I'm certain it will only confirm what we already know...

One of the nice things about that site is the game charts/graphs...   gives you an idea who win's and loses in opponent one on one matchups.

(Wish it weren't so damn expensive... )
: February 03, 2011, 01:48:31 PM blind melon

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#22 : February 03, 2011, 02:44:07 PM

Snaps breakdown

Donald Penn - 1008 total, 418 run and 590 pass
Jeremy Zuttah - 740 total, 297 run and 443 pass
Ted Larsen - 652 total, 282 run and 370 pass
Davin Joseph - 649 total, 274 run and 375 pass
James Lee - 516 total, 237 run and 279 pass
Jeff Faine - 441 total, 201 run and 240 pass   
Jeremy Trueblood - 510 total, 194 run and 316 pass
Keydrick Vincent - 303 total, 109 run and 194 pass
Derek Hardman - 261 total, 107 run and 154 pass   
Brandon Carter - 6 total, 4 run and 2 pass
Will Barker - 6 total, 4 run and 2 pass   


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#23 : February 03, 2011, 07:40:07 PM

The pressure percentage at that link is a good read. Not a lot of shocking data in there if you watched the way we played.

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#24 : February 03, 2011, 09:30:34 PM

The big surprise to me is Zuttah doing well at pass pro, having watched him having both assignment and balance issues in blocking - well credit the guards for taking the rap I guess.  Then looked at PFF run stats for Zuttah - and again I am surprised - to the point of wondering what can be gleaned from the stats - not so sure.  And i watched them play.

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#25 : February 03, 2011, 09:36:30 PM

So I'm glad everyone agrees then, we need to use the 1st two picks on O-line not DE.

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#26 : February 07, 2011, 09:45:24 PM



Yuccs stats are from that site, and those are the pass pro.



What's the Site?  Anyone have a link or does anyone have a link to a run blocking google doc like Yuc provided for the Pass Protection?

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#27 : February 07, 2011, 09:49:48 PM

Yuccs stats are from that site, and those are the pass pro.

What's the Site?  Anyone have a link or does anyone have a link to a run blocking google doc like Yuc provided for the Pass Protection?
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#28 : February 07, 2011, 10:42:40 PM

Hmmm, I wonder if there are coupon codes out there, $50 for one team is pricey.


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#29 : February 07, 2011, 11:57:46 PM

Joseph is a joke. Why Tampa wants to re-sign that bum is unbelievable. Wish MD was reading this damn thread.
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