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« #45 : February 08, 2011, 11:24:31 AM »

But I have seen and read enough on the internet and on other tv networks to feel confident in saying they spin stories in their favour.

Glen Beck even stated recently that Obama is trying to turn the U.S. into Soviet Russia. That's just **CENSORED**ing stupid and anyone who believes that is a moron.
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Since you think you've read enough and seen enough to feel confident let's put that to a test. Here's the entire transcript of what you are claiming Glenn Beck said and let's see if maybe it might become a little more clear or do you prefer to just hang onto your preconceived beliefs.

GLENN:  It won’t really work on radio.  If you put two timelines together or two ‑‑ put the Soviet Union and the United States, but you have them moving politically in the opposite directions.  We’ve always moved in the opposite directions.  You know they’ve always been bigger government; we’ve been smaller government.  Now our government has moved toward bigger government and they moved toward smaller government, okay?  Their fundamental transformation of the Soviet Union happened because of an economic collapse because they spent themselves into oblivion.  I mean, the parallels are shocking.  You have Osama Bin Laden.  You have a never ending war.  You have enemies that are spending them into oblivion.  You have the collapse of the Ruble.  You have all of it.  All of it.  And you also have, the enemies around the world knowing that it can’t last.  I mean, that was Ronald Reagan’s secret.  While we were sitting here complaining about our own debt, Ronald Reagan knew that we could take on more debt at that time because the Soviet Union couldn’t.  When his advisors said, what are you doing with Star Wars; we don’t even have Star Wars.  Shut your mouth.  Shut up.  Well, why are you using this as such a chip?  Why are you possibly saying Star Wars?  Shut up!  We want them to believe that we have this technology which will cause them to spend more money.  We’re burying them in a mountain of debt.  We will collapse them through their economy.

 

Does this sound familiar at all?  Then comes Gorbachev, and Gorbachev starts something called Perestroika because he knew that the people of Russia weren’t happy.  He knew that the system had corrupted itself.  It was a bad system.  But he thought, "Well, we’ll just do a little bit of this."  Well, you don’t open the door a little bit on freedom.  And all of the people said, you can’t do that. You can’t open it a little bit.  This system will fail if you open it up just a little bit.  "No, no, no, we’ll be fine.  We’ll be a nice hybrid."  What happened?  The enemies, us, put the added pressure on their system financially.  We also sowed the seeds of dissent inside their own country and rip them apart politically by going after people in Poland and everything else.  So what happened then?  Boris Yeltsin comes in.  This is before the Soviet Union collapses.  He makes a deal for the Russian federation. He goes out in the middle of the night into the middle of the woods and makes a deal for the Russian federation and says, look, guys, you know this is going to collapse and I know this is going to collapse.  They signed a deal, he went in front of the proletariat and said, "You’ve got an hour to decide.  There’s going to be blood in the streets or you’re going to okay this deal."  A Politburo, yeah.  You are going to take the ‑‑ you are going to take this deal or they’re going to take any communist out and they are going to drag us into the streets and they are going to shoot us in the head, and that’s just the way it is.  You can either change your uniform and move into a suit and we’ll save what we’ve got, and many of you will become powerful and rich, or we’ll have Civil War. Which is it?  You have an hour to decide.  They decided to transform the Soviet Union into a freer place.  It didn’t work out for them.  I contend we’re on the exact same trajectory.  I contend we are repeating the Soviet Union.  We’re doing the same thing, and our arrogance, just like their arrogance said, no, no, no, we’ll survive.  The question is, is Barack Obama Gorbachev or Yeltsin?  I think you could make the case that George Bush was Gorbachev.  Let’s just open the door a little bit more on socialism.  Let’s just open the door just a little bit on, I need to betray the free market, destroy the free market to save the free market.  That doesn’t make any sense.  That’s Gorbachev.  I need to retain ‑‑ to retain the Iron Curtain, I need to take the Iron Curtain down.  It doesn’t work!  So is this president Gorbachev or is this president Yeltsin?  Or there is a third option:  I’m completely wrong.




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« #46 : February 08, 2011, 02:04:35 PM »

I'm guessing Media Matters presented it a little differently for FreeWill.


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« #47 : February 08, 2011, 02:27:44 PM »

For doing what no one has been able to do for thousands of years, prove the existance of God. This man deserves an award. His arguments are so insightful, he truly gets it.

Sarcasm, right?

I sincerely hope so...


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« #48 : February 09, 2011, 03:22:35 AM »

Who is Bill O'Reilly?


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« #49 : February 09, 2011, 02:06:05 PM »

Who is Bill O'Reilly?

Ahhhh, blissful ignorance. I'm envious.   :D

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« #50 : February 09, 2011, 09:31:28 PM »

funny how O'reilly makes a great case but arrogant pompous agnostics & atheists  want to answer questions with more questions. Well if you follow that logic ....SOMEONE HAD TO BEGIN IT ALL by a method of HIS choosing..

If you say a meteor crashing into the earth caused the formation of the moon ~ then what caused the meteor to be? What caused the meteor to have motion? What caused those forces that caused the motion to come to be?
Follow this analysis backwards retracing your steps to the infinitesimal denseness of matter & possible beginning of it all....who put that there? If a chemical reaction caused it to BIG BANG...who started the chemical reaction?

Although most atheists are extremely intelligent people they refuse to follow their own logic to answer their own questions for fear of getting an answer that doesn't fit their agenda.

Let me first be very clear that I am not an athiest. I am agnostic, in that I do believe in a "creator" but I do not believe in religion at all. And it's funny because I was actual born and raised as a christian, I had a baptism, went through communion and confirmation. But then I grew up, and stopped believing in "God" much like I stopped believing in Santa Claus. I found out later that both my parents were agnostic as well, so I was kinda pissed but oh well.


"Although most atheists are extremely intelligent people they refuse to follow their own logic to answer their own questions for fear of getting an answer that doesn't fit their agenda."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!                 WOW!!!! The irony in that statement is BEYOND COMPREHENSION!                !!!!!!!!!!!

SOMEONE had to begin it all? That is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard. It is not a SOMEONE it is a SOMETHING. And HIS choosing? I would like to know how you are so sure if it is someone sitting up in the clouds who made the universe, that it's a HE. That's just so wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin. And if "God" created the universe, then what created "God"? The point that athiests and agnostics make is that NO ONE KNOWS how the universe was created. To all the religious people out there who claim they KNOW how it was created, I promise you YOU DON'T. Because you do not possess special brain powers that I don't. Religion claims that they know the answer, and much like the media deceives us, religion deceives us as well.

Having faith in religion means making a virtue out of not thinking. If "God" created us, and gave us these sophisticated brains, don't you think he gave them to us for a reason? To use them maybe? Religion is dangerous because it allows human beings, who don’t have all the answers, to think that they DO. The only appropriate attitude for man to have about big questions like who created the big bang for instance, is not the arrogant certitude that is the hallmark of religion, but doubt. Because doubt is humble, and that is what man needs to be, considering that human history is just a litany of getting things dead wrong. (The earth is flat, the sun revolves around the earth etc.)

You're the arrogant one buddy. Claiming that you know how the universe was created when you have absolutely no clue. I'll leave you with a question. and really think about this one. Picture yourself right now living in Pakistan. You were born in Pakistan. Your mother and father were also born and raised in Pakistan. Would you believe in Jesus Christ? No, you would believe in Mohammed. To do otherwise would be blasphemy. You see, the fact that there are SO MANY religions, each claiming to be the one "true" religion, proves that it is more a collective neurosis than a metaphysical observation.

I'd also like to add that I think the Bible has a lot of great philosophies and teachings. The ten commandments for instance, except for the first four. As well as the teachings of Jesus Christ. I think every person on Earth should live the way Jesus said. But some people interpret the Bible WAY TO SERIOUSLY.


Great post


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« #51 : February 09, 2011, 11:55:32 PM »

yeah, +1


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« #52 : February 10, 2011, 09:42:59 AM »

not so much

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« #53 : February 17, 2011, 01:11:18 AM »

This thread is a joke, right? O'Reilly's ignorance proves there's a God?
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