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#30 : February 15, 2011, 07:45:53 AM

The fact is nobody expected Rodgers to be this good, no one expected Tom Brady to be this good, no one expected all the players drafted after their pick to be that goood but they are.
Tom Brady is a completely different argument than Rodgers. If you want to compare Brady to someone, it would be more like Marques Colston. No one really thought they'd be good. With Rodgers, everyone agreed he had a high level of talent. While no one was sure just how good he'd be, everyone knew he had at least a decent chance to be good. He's more like Chris Johnson. Everyone knew he was a 1st rounder, but they just may not have expected him to be this good.
Ryan Leaf would be a potential comparison or perhaps Todd Blackledge
Comparable to who?

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#31 : February 15, 2011, 07:54:08 AM

The fact is nobody expected Rodgers to be this good, no one expected Tom Brady to be this good, no one expected all the players drafted after their pick to be that goood but they are.
Tom Brady is a completely different argument than Rodgers. If you want to compare Brady to someone, it would be more like Marques Colston. No one really thought they'd be good. With Rodgers, everyone agreed he had a high level of talent. While no one was sure just how good he'd be, everyone knew he had at least a decent chance to be good. He's more like Chris Johnson. Everyone knew he was a 1st rounder, but they just may not have expected him to be this good.
Ryan Leaf would be a potential comparison or perhaps Todd Blackledge
Comparable to who?
You were looking for qbs to compare insofar as draft slots - Rodgers was the success, Blackledge an also ran first round pick iirc, and Leaf the first round failure.  Lends itself to wondering how so many were so wrong about both Rodgers and Leaf - but clearly some feel they know the answer to this, at least after the fact.  Both Leaf and Blackledge were considered talented, everyone knew they had a least a decent chance to be good.  Well most everyone, I am sure at least some on this board knew better.

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#32 : February 15, 2011, 08:22:39 AM

The fact is nobody expected Rodgers to be this good, no one expected Tom Brady to be this good, no one expected all the players drafted after their pick to be that goood but they are.
Tom Brady is a completely different argument than Rodgers. If you want to compare Brady to someone, it would be more like Marques Colston. No one really thought they'd be good. With Rodgers, everyone agreed he had a high level of talent. While no one was sure just how good he'd be, everyone knew he had at least a decent chance to be good. He's more like Chris Johnson. Everyone knew he was a 1st rounder, but they just may not have expected him to be this good.
Ryan Leaf would be a potential comparison or perhaps Todd Blackledge
Comparable to who?
You were looking for qbs to compare insofar as draft slots - Rodgers was the success, Blackledge an also ran first round pick iirc, and Leaf the first round failure.  Lends itself to wondering how so many were so wrong about both Rodgers and Leaf - but clearly some feel they know the answer to this, at least after the fact.  Both Leaf and Blackledge were considered talented, everyone knew they had a least a decent chance to be good.  Well most everyone, I am sure at least some on this board knew better.

DB if you mentioned that pass hopping Blackledge on a Chiefs message board they would curse you, only slight difference was that Blackledge wasn't a loudmouthed moron, like Leaf was, he just sucked.


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#33 : February 15, 2011, 08:47:18 AM

The fact is nobody expected Rodgers to be this good, no one expected Tom Brady to be this good, no one expected all the players drafted after their pick to be that goood but they are.
Tom Brady is a completely different argument than Rodgers. If you want to compare Brady to someone, it would be more like Marques Colston. No one really thought they'd be good. With Rodgers, everyone agreed he had a high level of talent. While no one was sure just how good he'd be, everyone knew he had at least a decent chance to be good. He's more like Chris Johnson. Everyone knew he was a 1st rounder, but they just may not have expected him to be this good.
Ryan Leaf would be a potential comparison or perhaps Todd Blackledge
Comparable to who?
You were looking for qbs to compare insofar as draft slots - Rodgers was the success, Blackledge an also ran first round pick iirc, and Leaf the first round failure.  Lends itself to wondering how so many were so wrong about both Rodgers and Leaf - but clearly some feel they know the answer to this, at least after the fact.  Both Leaf and Blackledge were considered talented, everyone knew they had a least a decent chance to be good.  Well most everyone, I am sure at least some on this board knew better.
You're off on a completely different point. We can all list busts at every single position so that's nothing singular about the quarterback position. Curtis Enis at running back, Charles Rogers at wide receiver, Robert Gallery at offensive tackle, Jamaal Anderson at defensive end, Reggie Nelson at safety, and so on. No position is immune. My original point was there was no comparison between Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers because genuinely no one thought Brady would be as good as he was. With Rodgers, there may not have been 100% consensus, but most everyone knew he had some sort of talent and had as good a chance as any prospect not named Manning to be successful. Rodgers absolutely did not come out of nowhere. If a team needed a quarterback and passed on Rodgers, they genuinely screwed up. He was right there in the green room in New York waiting to get picked. He wasn't Tony Romo playing at Eastern Illinois.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#34 : February 15, 2011, 10:09:32 AM

The fact is nobody expected Rodgers to be this good, no one expected Tom Brady to be this good, no one expected all the players drafted after their pick to be that goood but they are.
Tom Brady is a completely different argument than Rodgers. If you want to compare Brady to someone, it would be more like Marques Colston. No one really thought they'd be good. With Rodgers, everyone agreed he had a high level of talent. While no one was sure just how good he'd be, everyone knew he had at least a decent chance to be good. He's more like Chris Johnson. Everyone knew he was a 1st rounder, but they just may not have expected him to be this good.
Ryan Leaf would be a potential comparison or perhaps Todd Blackledge
Comparable to who?
You were looking for qbs to compare insofar as draft slots - Rodgers was the success, Blackledge an also ran first round pick iirc, and Leaf the first round failure.  Lends itself to wondering how so many were so wrong about both Rodgers and Leaf - but clearly some feel they know the answer to this, at least after the fact.  Both Leaf and Blackledge were considered talented, everyone knew they had a least a decent chance to be good.  Well most everyone, I am sure at least some on this board knew better.
You're off on a completely different point. We can all list busts at every single position so that's nothing singular about the quarterback position. Curtis Enis at running back, Charles Rogers at wide receiver, Robert Gallery at offensive tackle, Jamaal Anderson at defensive end, Reggie Nelson at safety, and so on. No position is immune. My original point was there was no comparison between Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers because genuinely no one thought Brady would be as good as he was. With Rodgers, there may not have been 100% consensus, but most everyone knew he had some sort of talent and had as good a chance as any prospect not named Manning to be successful. Rodgers absolutely did not come out of nowhere. If a team needed a quarterback and passed on Rodgers, they genuinely screwed up. He was right there in the green room in New York waiting to get picked. He wasn't Tony Romo playing at Eastern Illinois.
FRG,
I recently heard a discussion on the Dan Patrick show that the knock on Rodgers coming out of college was his attitude.  Many of the GMs didn't like his aloofness and didn't think he would be a good fit.  Not sure how accurate that is/was, but that was what was said.

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2.  For some it would be better if they remained silent and be thought a fool than to speak and erase all doubt.

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#35 : February 16, 2011, 08:02:18 AM

Who won the NFC South in 2005?

The same team that won in 2007 with Gaines Adams as the first round draft choice.  Why?

The difference is that the Bucs do not win the NFC South in 2005 without Caddy.   Looking at that list, Caddy was one of the better selections in that draft.   That was one of the weakest drafts ever.


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#36 : February 16, 2011, 10:11:10 AM

Who won the NFC South in 2005?

The same team that won in 2007 with Gaines Adams as the first round draft choice.  Why?

The difference is that the Bucs do not win the NFC South in 2005 without Caddy.

You sure about that?

Williams' 2005 YPA - 4.1
Pittman's 2005 YPA - 6.2



Looking at that list, Caddy was one of the better selections in that draft.

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#37 : February 16, 2011, 10:51:44 AM

And how many of those teams needed a QB?

And are 31 teams still kicking themselves for passing on Tom Brady 6 times?
Who the **CENSORED** knew who Tom Brady was? A part time starter for Michigan who nobody even really knew about. A Rodgers was a potential top pick who EVERYONE knew about and had a chance to Vet and workout. Some even told him he would be taken if he was their at their pick. I wonder if anyone told Brady that cybeygirl.



but all Michigan and other Big Ten players suck compared to faster southern athletes like you find at LSU.  You know, guys like JaMarcus Russell and Micheal Clayton.  Or at least I'm told.


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#38 : February 16, 2011, 11:59:28 AM

Who won the NFC South in 2005?

The same team that won in 2007 with Gaines Adams as the first round draft choice.  Why?

The difference is that the Bucs do not win the NFC South in 2005 without Caddy.

You sure about that?


100% sure.    Caddy carried the team early in the season.   Without that, no way they make the playoffs.


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#39 : February 16, 2011, 12:29:30 PM

Nevermind there, "JDog".  I forgot who you actually were for second.  My mistake.


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#40 : February 16, 2011, 02:23:18 PM

The difference is that the Bucs do not win the NFC South in 2005 without Caddy.   Looking at that list, Caddy was one of the better selections in that draft.   That was one of the weakest drafts ever.

How do people come up with this stuff? I don't know that i've ever seen an 1100 6td back carry a team to division title. I'd venture to say having the #1 defense was responsible for that.... the same defense that held Washington to 120 total yds in a home playoff loss.

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#41 : February 16, 2011, 02:37:24 PM

the same defense that held Washington to 120 total yds in a home playoff loss.

As Carnell froliciked around behind the line of scrimmage

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#42 : February 16, 2011, 04:45:21 PM

Calling Gruden the winningest coach in franchise history is such a crock of crap.

55-53
54-42

You tell me which one is better.


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#43 : February 16, 2011, 04:46:28 PM

the same defense that held Washington to 120 total yds in a home playoff loss.

As Carnell froliciked around behind the line of scrimmage
And fumbled and had Sean Taylor run it back for a touchdown.


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#44 : February 16, 2011, 05:06:49 PM

I never said Caddy did well in that playoff game.   But they wouldnt have made the playoffs without Caddy's performance in the first 3 games.

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