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« : March 04, 2011, 09:17:22 AM »

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-3-2011/crisis-in-the-dairyland---for-richer-and-poorer---teachers-and-wall-street

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« #1 : March 04, 2011, 09:20:40 AM »

Saw this on my home town news site & had to pass it along:

A unionized public employee, a member of the Tea Party and a Corporate Executive are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table there is a plate with a dozen cookies on it. The CEO reaches across and takes 11 cookies, looks at the tea partier and says, 'Look out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie

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« #2 : March 04, 2011, 09:45:37 AM »

Saw this on my home town news site & had to pass it along:

A unionized public employee, a member of the Tea Party and a Corporate Executive are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table there is a plate with a dozen cookies on it. The CEO reaches across and takes 11 cookies, looks at the tea partier and says, 'Look out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie


LMAO that is the truth!!!


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« #3 : March 04, 2011, 12:06:50 PM »

I don't get this debate. How can you even begin to compare a teacher, who gets a guaranteed salary whether they are god or suck rocks, with someone in investment banking who is paid SOLELY on commission?

Does a teacher have to "recruit" students? Does a teacher have to suffer through 2-3 years of very low income and 60-80 hour weeks, 52 weeks/year? Does a teacher have to rush to work because of some breaking news the Friday after Thanksgiving? Does a teacher have to deal with the stress of their pay being drastically affected by every FED move, congressional screwup, international development, or market hickup? Does a teacher have to assume large liability and foot legal bills for every dissatisfied student that saw a Morgan and Morgan ad? Does a teacher have to take one of the most difficult licensing tests in any industry and have to maintain yearly continuing ed and PAY THE COST FOR ALL OF IT?

Did the teacher have the option to become a broker, but chose to become a teacher instead?

No one FORCES you to work for the government and no one PREVENTS you from working your arse off and becoming one of those high paid CEOs


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« #4 : March 04, 2011, 01:08:40 PM »

touched a nerve eh? I liked the video is only why I posted it. Your argument is made in the video too...

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« #5 : March 04, 2011, 01:14:40 PM »

I don't get this debate. How can you even begin to compare a teacher, who gets a guaranteed salary whether they are god or suck rocks, with someone in investment banking who is paid SOLELY on commission?

A good portion of the video was aimed at the CEO's .... Their salaries aren't guaranteed? .... no matter if they suck rocks or not?

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« #6 : March 04, 2011, 01:29:22 PM »

I don't get this debate. How can you even begin to compare a teacher, who gets a guaranteed salary whether they are god or suck rocks, with someone in investment banking who is paid SOLELY on commission?

A good portion of the video was aimed at the CEO's .... Their salaries aren't guaranteed? .... no matter if they suck rocks or not?


How did these CEOs become CEOs? Where they born into it, like a Duke or Barron? Or did they go to College (just like a teacher), get outstanding grades, Choose to go to post grad school and earn an MBA, then get a entry level job and work their way up the ladder?

My point is these Government workers that are griping and moaning about not enough money chose their career just like the CEOs chose their career path. Nobody forced them, there were no barriers to prevent them from choosing a different path. I have and will never agree with those that chose to take an easier path and now want the rewards of the more difficult path.


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« #7 : March 04, 2011, 01:41:38 PM »

I don't get this debate. How can you even begin to compare a teacher, who gets a guaranteed salary whether they are god or suck rocks, with someone in investment banking who is paid SOLELY on commission?

A good portion of the video was aimed at the CEO's .... Their salaries aren't guaranteed? .... no matter if they suck rocks or not?


How did these CEOs become CEOs? Where they born into it, like a Duke or Barron? Or did they go to College (just like a teacher), get outstanding grades, Choose to go to post grad school and earn an MBA, then get a entry level job and work their way up the ladder?

My point is these Government workers that are griping and moaning about not enough money chose their career just like the CEOs chose their career path. Nobody forced them, there were no barriers to prevent them from choosing a different path. I have and will never agree with those that chose to take an easier path and now want the rewards of the more difficult path.

Most teachers know full well going in what the salary situation is that for that career path and most don't do it for the wealth opportunities, but do want to get paid fairly for the job they're doing.... However, iIf those teachers in Wisconsin are asking for Wall Street pay , I couldn't agree more with your sentiment ....

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« #8 : March 04, 2011, 02:20:31 PM »

The teachers aren't asking for Wall Street pay. It is the unions and other Socialist elements (media) that are making that cry. They want everyone's pay to be equal, except for the union heads who are "more equal"


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« #9 : March 04, 2011, 04:14:08 PM »

The teachers aren't asking for Wall Street pay. It is the unions and other Socialist elements (media) that are making that cry. They want everyone's pay to be equal, except for the union heads who are "more equal"

So the unions and media want the teachers to be paid the same as Wall Street workers ... or have we skipped to a broader argument?

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« #10 : March 04, 2011, 06:14:24 PM »

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/State=Wisconsin/Salary

http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/21/wisconsins-teachers-make-a-little-more-money-than-theyre-letting-on/

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/mar/04/rand-paul/us-sen-rand-paul-says-average-public-school-teache/

just for some perspective.




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« #11 : March 04, 2011, 06:46:57 PM »

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/State=Wisconsin/Salary

http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/21/wisconsins-teachers-make-a-little-more-money-than-theyre-letting-on/

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/mar/04/rand-paul/us-sen-rand-paul-says-average-public-school-teache/

just for some perspective.

DId you get anything from the first link? I must have missed it ...

The second link was pretty biased against the teachers, as far as perspective ...

Third link shows they're right in line, a little higher maybe, with FL teachers ..


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« #12 : March 04, 2011, 06:57:27 PM »

Simply a point of reference for what common position pay in Wisconsin - some data to compare

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« #13 : March 04, 2011, 07:34:59 PM »

Quote from: dbucfan's 2nd link
http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/21/wisconsins-teachers-make-a-little-more-money-than-theyre-letting-on/

Brad Lutes and his wife, Heather Lutes, told MSNBC’s Ed Schultz that Walker’s budget would hit them twice as hard.

“Having to explain to an 8- and 10-year old that the governor of your state basically wants to take money away from dad and mom? It’s just really, really frustrating,” Brad Lutes told Schultz.

He makes $49,412 in base salary with $27,987 in fringe benefits and his wife makes $50,240 with $9,413 in benefits. That’s $137,052 annually between the two of them.



So a 10% pay cut would knock them down to $89,686 plus benefits  :o


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« #14 : March 04, 2011, 08:04:03 PM »

That is what the math would give you.  The reason for the various sites was first to see what salaries for various profession generally were, then to take a look at teacher compensation.  I know my sister and her husband would be gaga over that kinda money - and she is a private sector Manager for kids in trouble - and he is a Construction foreman - both in a similar region of the country, but one not that similar in salary.

I know a couple in Tampa who both teach - and I know they are 20K short of that Wisconsin couple - perhaps 30 - I don't know anything about their benefit package. 
« : March 04, 2011, 08:12:24 PM dbucfan »

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