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« #15 : March 04, 2011, 10:35:54 PM »

Simply a point of reference for what common position pay in Wisconsin - some data to compare

Got it ... In the first link, looks like it shows what the median income is for 7 other occupations in Wisconsin. The median income for Wisconsin teachers in 2009/10 was $48.5K in comparison.

The second link is still just a bullcrap spin job trying to make the teachers look the worst possible ... and the third corrects Paul for trying to put a bullcrap spin on it.


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« #16 : March 04, 2011, 10:37:41 PM »

Quote from: dbucfan's 2nd link
http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/21/wisconsins-teachers-make-a-little-more-money-than-theyre-letting-on/

Brad Lutes and his wife, Heather Lutes, told MSNBC’s Ed Schultz that Walker’s budget would hit them twice as hard.

“Having to explain to an 8- and 10-year old that the governor of your state basically wants to take money away from dad and mom? It’s just really, really frustrating,” Brad Lutes told Schultz.

He makes $49,412 in base salary with $27,987 in fringe benefits and his wife makes $50,240 with $9,413 in benefits. That’s $137,052 annually between the two of them.



So a 10% pay cut would knock them down to $89,686 plus benefits  :o

$45K a year is eye popping to you??

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« #17 : March 05, 2011, 07:56:41 AM »

Simply a point of reference for what common position pay in Wisconsin - some data to compare

Got it ... In the first link, looks like it shows what the median income is for 7 other occupations in Wisconsin. The median income for Wisconsin teachers in 2009/10 was $48.5K in comparison.

The second link is still just a bullcrap spin job trying to make the teachers look the worst possible ... and the third corrects Paul for trying to put a bullcrap spin on it.
The second link offered real folks with their salary and benefit package - and verified it represented 9 months - i.e. the other three are unencumbered by job responsibilities.  If that one is offensive insofar as bias - here's another

http://www.teacher-world.com/teacher-salary/wisconsin.html  and another for our hard-spinning left wing fact checkers at the renowned bastion of equity St. Pete Times (how did they, whatever)  -

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/23/eric-bolling/fox-business-news-eric-bolling-says-wisconsin-teac/

The third link tells one Rand Paul was almost right - and that is news damnit.... not bad for a Senator just starting out. 

And here is one just for fun - which is not representative of the salary average for the state
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/mar/04/maciver-institute/maciver-institute-says-average-annual-salary-and-b/
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« #18 : March 05, 2011, 10:52:12 AM »

Is everyone that works on Wall Street a CEO? I never knew.....

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« #19 : March 05, 2011, 10:55:29 AM »

Is everyone that works on Wall Street a CEO? I never knew.....
I never knew everyone on Wall Street made multiple millions of dollars a year - I am too sheltered :'( :'(

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« #20 : March 05, 2011, 02:17:56 PM »

Quote from: dbucfan's 2nd link
http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/21/wisconsins-teachers-make-a-little-more-money-than-theyre-letting-on/

Brad Lutes and his wife, Heather Lutes, told MSNBC’s Ed Schultz that Walker’s budget would hit them twice as hard.

“Having to explain to an 8- and 10-year old that the governor of your state basically wants to take money away from dad and mom? It’s just really, really frustrating,” Brad Lutes told Schultz.

He makes $49,412 in base salary with $27,987 in fringe benefits and his wife makes $50,240 with $9,413 in benefits. That’s $137,052 annually between the two of them.



So a 10% pay cut would knock them down to $89,686 plus benefits  :o

$45K a year is eye popping to you??


It is $49k PLUS free Health care for the family (worth about another $8400) and a pension vested after 10 years. For a job that is only 9 months/year, yes that is eye-popping.


"He makes $49,412 in base salary with $27,987 in fringe benefits"

That's $77,399 for 9 months. if it were a 12 month job, that would equate to $103,198 for a job that only requires a Bachelor's and the salary is guaranteed (unlike most jobs on Wall Street). That is eye-popping.


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« #21 : March 05, 2011, 02:32:31 PM »

Is everyone that works on Wall Street a CEO? I never knew.....
I never knew everyone on Wall Street made multiple millions of dollars a year - I am too sheltered :'( :'(


Well, the secretaries and receptionists are paid in Gold Krugerrands so the actual value, in dollars, fluctuates. But everyone else gets a 7 figure guaranteed salary with no liability or risk.


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« #22 : March 05, 2011, 04:25:32 PM »

You need to knock that off JG?  There are those on this board who will believe that

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« #23 : March 05, 2011, 04:32:20 PM »

Salaries, tenure, guaranteed pensions, guaranteed healthcare...while 30 million have lost everything?

$89k/year average income for public workers, while freemarket jobs in private sector average a lttle more than half that - while generating the taxed income whereby the state pays the salary of the public worker.

...I theenk there is a prolem heer, Queeksdraw....

It's not that we don't love teachers - it's that we can't afford so many of them.

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« #24 : March 05, 2011, 04:32:38 PM »

Quote from: dbucfan's 2nd link
http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/21/wisconsins-teachers-make-a-little-more-money-than-theyre-letting-on/

Brad Lutes and his wife, Heather Lutes, told MSNBC’s Ed Schultz that Walker’s budget would hit them twice as hard.

“Having to explain to an 8- and 10-year old that the governor of your state basically wants to take money away from dad and mom? It’s just really, really frustrating,” Brad Lutes told Schultz.

He makes $49,412 in base salary with $27,987 in fringe benefits and his wife makes $50,240 with $9,413 in benefits. That’s $137,052 annually between the two of them.



So a 10% pay cut would knock them down to $89,686 plus benefits  :o

$45K a year is eye popping to you??


It is $49k PLUS free Health care for the family (worth about another $8400) and a pension vested after 10 years. For a job that is only 9 months/year, yes that is eye-popping.


"He makes $49,412 in base salary with $27,987 in fringe benefits"

That's $77,399 for 9 months. if it were a 12 month job, that would equate to $103,198 for a job that only requires a Bachelor's and the salary is guaranteed (unlike most jobs on Wall Street). That is eye-popping.

Actually, over 12 months, it equates to $89,752 a year.   The salary would be higher, but benefits the same.    But it's still good money.   You won't find pensions being offered for many jobs in the usa these days - other than government funded jobs.


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« #25 : March 05, 2011, 04:34:30 PM »

It's not that we don't love teachers - it's that we can't afford so many of them.

We have more military than we do teachers...


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« #26 : March 05, 2011, 04:35:42 PM »

I think part of the problem is - that the only guys making "multiple-millions of dollars" on Wall Street - are working for the Obama administration now.

There the one's that wrote the financial reform act.

That'll fix 'em....

....er, wait...

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« #27 : March 05, 2011, 04:41:03 PM »

It's not that we don't love teachers - it's that we can't afford so many of them.

We have more military than we do teachers...

Yes, but you see, the military kills people and breaks the things of the bad guys....and they're incredibly efficient.

The education system promotes itself while graduation and dropout rates increase - which makes them incredibly in-efficient at educating children, especially for the number of them.

Additionally, we spend another $20,000/child/year yet we have fewer graduates than we have ever had.

The problem in education is not the teachers - it is their union bosses and administrators that all soak-up inordinate amounts of education dollars and contribute very little to the education process.

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« #28 : March 05, 2011, 04:42:45 PM »

Yes, but you see, the military kills people and breaks the things of the bad guys....and they're incredibly efficient.


Ya, that Iraq mess has really been efficient.


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« #29 : March 05, 2011, 04:45:30 PM »

Yes, but you see, the military kills people and breaks the things of the bad guys....and they're incredibly efficient.


Ya, that Iraq mess has really been efficient.


Iraq is over, the education mess isn't.

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