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« #30 : March 20, 2011, 09:36:19 PM »

You rightwingers need to stay on script.  Not  more  than a couple of days ago your news network was complaining about the administration NOT doing anything. BTW, this kind of action doesn't require Congress's approval.

^^^^This.

We are not declaring war on Libya. No ground forces are being committed. The president is complying with U.N. mandate to enforce a no fly zone. He has the obligation to brief congressional leaders on the matter within 48 hours, which was done. Congress has the power to end U.S. involvement if they see fit, which they will not. There is overwhelming support from the congress to take action against Libya.

As for comparing Japan to Katrina, the ridiculousness of this comparison is so mind boggling, I can only hope it was done in jest. Let's start with the obvious, Katrina was a hurricane that we saw coming days in advance. Japan was an earthquake and tsunami, both hit with little warning. Japan is a 5,000+ mile flight from the nearest U.S. city over the Pacific Ocean (excluding Hawaii, which wouldn't have had the resources alone to assist in the crisis). New Orleans is right here. One would have had to coordinate with Japanese leaders in order to asses exactly what kind of aid was needed and the best means in which to allocate it. Homeland Security was already in place here to do just that. Grasping at straws about sums it up.


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« #31 : March 20, 2011, 10:24:02 PM »

How interesting - Libya didn't attack, threaten, insult the US, or even fart in our general direction - but 100+ missiles were fired into Libya under the authority of the Commander in Chief - because the U.N. said so - how quaint.  How two faced, how totally liberal - the whole reaction of what do you mean Barry might have overstepped.  And I don't even like Gaddafi a little - but there is no treaty outlining defense - no threat to the US - just letting loose with missiles has to seem a bit pretentious even for Barry loving liberals.  (which at this point excludes a lot of democrats)

Insofar as Katrina comparisons - I gotta tell you - you are barking up the wrong tree.  I have no problems with Barry helping Japan with what they ask for - good with that.  But I know too much first hand about Katrina, the people of New Orleans and surrounding areas, New Orleans politics, and Louisiana politics to put up with a whole bunch of bullspit from folks who don't. 

I think the comparison is invalid for all the reasons you offered - well except for preplanning responses - that's just flat wrong.  The nuclear twist isn't that unexpected - standard planning for hurricane events.  And telling folks the Japanese experts were all wrong - that is pretty iffy - we will see how that all comes out - but Barry & Company had better be right on that one.

You know the neat part about dealing with the Japanese public - they aren't trying to steal everything that isn't nailed down, and they are dedicated to helping each other.  That is a HUGE change from Katrina. 

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« #32 : March 20, 2011, 10:30:02 PM »

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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« #33 : March 20, 2011, 10:30:13 PM »

Exactly what would the US government do if it faced a heavily armed citizen uprising? Waco Texas ring a bell?

You seem to be confused between a psychotic pedophile with a messiah complex and an "armed citizen uprising."
Maybe a poor example but let's say the Nation of Aztlan movement gains momentum and poses a serious threat to national security and the President orders the military to crack down on it.
Would the UN intervene on behalf of the uprisers?  Like him or not, Gaddafi is the established ruler of Libya, has been for 40 years  Doesn't he and his govt. have the right to defend their power base against a coup d' etat?  What right does the U.S., Britain, or France have in getting involved in a Libyan civil war?  And what are the real reasons for it?  Did we get involved in Zimbabwe in the 1980s when thousands were massacred?

Oh, the whole thing is hypocritical; I agree. But it's not valid to compare Waco to the citizens rising up to overthrow a tyrant. Still, we're only getting involved because we don't like their current government and we're just seizing an opportunity. If Libya was closer or more pertinent to our political agenda, we would have manufactured said opportunity long ago. But the whole thing is subjective, as the saying goes "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."


You would not have an international response because the United States makes up 90% of NATO and the UN's enforcement wing. So it's a stupid argument.

But in any case...It would be less likely of a rebel uprising. It will be an uprising of the state governments against the federal government. And the feds are very vulnerable. This isnt 1860. The federal government is in enormous debt and its military is stretched very thin. All that needs to happen is for the currency to collapse and foreign governments like China to stop buying US treasury bonds. Doing this will collapse Washington DC without a shot being fired. A famous political scientist in Russia actually predicts this to happen in America this century. The Federal government will collaose, the dollar will be destroyed, and we will be left with a loose confederation of states and some may break off on their own.

You wouldnt have a "revolution." When America falls it will be like Rome. It will eat itself and collapse from within.

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« #34 : March 20, 2011, 10:43:44 PM »

A hard-core group of liberal House Democrats is questioning the constitutionality of U.S. missile strikes against Libya, with one lawmaker raising the prospect of impeachment during a Democratic Caucus conference call on Saturday.

Reps. Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.), Donna Edwards (Md.), Mike Capuano (Mass.), Dennis Kucinich (Ohio), Maxine Waters (Calif.), Rob Andrews (N.J.), Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas), Barbara Lee (Calif.) and Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D.C.) “all strongly raised objections to the constitutionality of the president’s actions” during that call, said two Democratic lawmakers who took part.

Kucinich, who wanted to bring impeachment articles against both former President George W. Bush and Vice President **CENSORED** Cheney over Iraq — only to be blocked by his own leadership — asked why the U.S. missile strikes aren’t impeachable offenses.

Kucinich also questioned why Democratic leaders didn’t object when President Barack Obama told them of his plan for American participation in enforcing the Libyan no-fly zone during a White House Situation Room meeting on Friday, sources told POLITICO.

And liberals fumed that Congress hadn’t been formally consulted before the attack and expressed concern that it would lead to a third U.S. war in the Muslim world.

While other Democratic lawmakers have publicly backed Obama — including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and top members of the Armed Services, Foreign Affairs and Intelligence committees — the objections from a vocal group of anti-war Democrats on Capitol Hill could become a political problem for Obama, especially if “Operation Odyssey Dawn” fails to topple Libyan leader Muammar Qadhafi, leads to significant American casualties, or provokes a wider conflict in the troubled region of North Africa.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html

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« #35 : March 20, 2011, 11:22:59 PM »

(Reuters) - Libya's government has begun distributing arms to more than one million people and will complete the operation within hours, the state news agency reported on Sunday.

Jana news agency quoted sources in Libya's defense ministry as saying they "expected the operation to end in the next hours to arm more than a million men and women."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/20/us-libya-weapons-jana-idUSTRE72J1Y020110320

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« #36 : March 21, 2011, 12:02:48 AM »

You rightwingers need to stay on script.  Not  more  than a couple of days ago your news network was complaining about the administration NOT doing anything. BTW, this kind of action doesn't require Congress's approval.

^^^^This.

We are not declaring war on Libya. No ground forces are being committed. The president is complying with U.N. mandate to enforce a no fly zone. He has the obligation to brief congressional leaders on the matter within 48 hours, which was done. Congress has the power to end U.S. involvement if they see fit, which they will not. There is overwhelming support from the congress to take action against Libya.

My complaint isn't in what BHO did, it is why he waited so long. 

Yeah, i know, politics and UN resolutions=sloooooooooooooow

As for comparing Japan to Katrina, the ridiculousness of this comparison is so mind boggling, I can only hope it was done in jest. Let's start with the obvious, Katrina was a hurricane that we saw coming days in advance. Japan was an earthquake and tsunami, both hit with little warning. Japan is a 5,000+ mile flight from the nearest U.S. city over the Pacific Ocean (excluding Hawaii, which wouldn't have had the resources alone to assist in the crisis). New Orleans is right here. One would have had to coordinate with Japanese leaders in order to asses exactly what kind of aid was needed and the best means in which to allocate it. Homeland Security was already in place here to do just that. Grasping at straws about sums it up.


Actually, there is some validity behind the Katrina-Japan comparison. Mainly, we actually had MORE relief resources (including Carriers and ships capable of water purification, hospitalization, etc.) near Japan than we did near NOLA. We literally had rescue forces waiting for the word go within miles of the quake, but instead of the word go, they got static. If an entire carrier group had been with in a few hundred miles of NOLA, history would have been quite a bit different. Unfortunately, after Katrina, a big chunk of the Navy was off the coast of Iraq, not Louisiana. But in Japan there was a fleet awaiting orders that have still yet to come. we are keeping an entire Carrier group in the area in case NK starts to play naughty, that group includes all kinds of search and rescue folks, hospital ships, water purification facilities, copters, thousands of Marines, all waiting to help but they can't until the CoC gives the word go.

And the CoC is busy playing golf and flying to Argentina.

Any wonder why the Sec. of State has quite publicly stated "I'm done"???
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Actually, there is some validity behind the Katrina-Japan comparison. Mainly, we actually had MORE relief resources (including Carriers and ships capable of water purification, hospitalization, etc.) near Japan than we did near NOLA. We literally had rescue forces waiting for the word go within miles of the quake, but instead of the word go, they got static. If an entire carrier group had been with in a few hundred miles of NOLA, history would have been quite a bit different. Unfortunately, after Katrina, a big chunk of the Navy was off the coast of Iraq, not Louisiana. But in Japan there was a fleet awaiting orders that have still yet to come. we are keeping an entire Carrier group in the area in case NK starts to play naughty, that group includes all kinds of search and rescue folks, hospital ships, water purification facilities, copters, thousands of Marines, all waiting to help but they can't until the CoC gives the word go.

And the CoC is busy playing golf and flying to Argentina.

Any wonder why the Sec. of State has quite publicly stated "I'm done"???

??  Carriers were sent a week ago and we've had helicopters providing aid and mercy missions.  Some of the carriers had to be repositioned due to excessive amounts of radiation (USS Ronald Reagan)


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« #38 : March 21, 2011, 04:47:34 PM »

No need for the CinC to hunker down in DC when our military performs a little dirty work.  Our military leaders were given their mission - President Obama doesn't need to sit home - he's a good multi-tasker (something I can't recall GWB doing much of).

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« #39 : March 21, 2011, 05:19:21 PM »



Shock and Awe, part Deux, babeeee!

Some rightwingers are claiming "Wag the Dog" - in order for the American citizen to forget about our domestic problems.  When Dennis Kucinich is against the bombing and talks about impeachment, you know you're on the right side.

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Kucinich says Obama "crossed the line," calls attacks on Libya an "indisputable" impeachable offense

Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) told Hotsheet today that it's an "indisputable fact" that President Obama committed an impeachable offense by authorizing a military attack without congressional approval.

"The next question is what does Congress do it about it," Kucinich said, adding that he hasn't said he's introducing a resolution for impeachment.

"This is a teachable moment," he said. "The American people should understand that our Constitution does not provide for the president to wage war any times he pleases."

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« #40 : March 21, 2011, 05:56:22 PM »

No need for the CinC to hunker down in DC when our military performs a little dirty work.  Our military leaders were given their mission - President Obama doesn't need to sit home - he's a good multi-tasker (something I can't recall GWB doing much of).
Easy on the multi-tasking - seems he missed contacting a whole bunch of Congressional democrats....

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« #41 : March 21, 2011, 06:07:36 PM »

guess it's okie dokie then to bomb a sovereign country that hasn't attacked,  threaten, or even insulted our country.  Big oil interest need a stable Libya.


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« #42 : March 21, 2011, 06:26:11 PM »



Bush War on Terrorism Doctrine.

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« #43 : March 21, 2011, 06:27:48 PM »

No need for the CinC to hunker down in DC when our military performs a little dirty work.  Our military leaders were given their mission - President Obama doesn't need to sit home - he's a good multi-tasker (something I can't recall GWB doing much of).
Easy on the multi-tasking - seems he missed contacting a whole bunch of Congressional democrats....

The right people  were briefed.

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« #44 : March 21, 2011, 06:32:49 PM »

There goes this month's budget........


$112 million worth of Tomahawk missiles already launched in Libya operation

By: Charlie Spiering 03/21/11 3:29 PM
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How much will military actions in Libya cost the United States? It could cost several billions, according to the National Journal's  Megan Scully.

Tomahawk Missiles are expensive:

    On the first day of strikes alone, U.S.-led forces launched 112 long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles, which cost about $1 million to $1.5 million apiece, from ships stationed off the Libyan coast. That totals $112 million to $168 million for the first day's missile strikes alone. Since the first strikes, U.S. and British forces have launched at least another 12 Tomahawk missiles.


Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/03/112-million-worth-tomahawk-missiles-already-launched-libya-operat#ixzz1HHB6AcAF
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