If we could trade Talib today...

[CyberDilemma]

Heemy took over a solid team that had just gone 9-7 two years in a row.

Gruden didn't take over a 9-7 team with the Raiders.    He took over a floundering team that went 4-12 the year before he came.    He took them to 8-8 his first year (not 3-13).    His 2nd season, the Raiders were one game away from winning the division title.   His 3rd season he went 12-4 and won the division.    He also won his division again the following year.   (Kiffin was not his defensive coordinator in any of those seasons)     He was then traded to the Bucs and won the superbowl against the Raider team he had just built.   

The guy that succeeded Gruden in Oakland was able to take them to the Super Bowl........something Gruden could not do, so does that mean that Callahan is a better coach than Gruden? And to say that Gruden "built" a team in Oakland is ludicrous. Everyone knows who does and always has called ALL the shots in Oakland....Davis. Once upon a time he was rather good at it, but, unfortunately, senility has sunk in the past decade or so.

[BucBalla85]

Wow Gruden left Morris with a real crap roster. I mean sure his team went 9-7 but that team was on the down spiral. I cant believe if Gruden would have came back that all those players would have stayed. We are lucky that Morris is around and the mediocrity isnt the goal. Morris is building his own roster that will be good for a long time. Not just one year and then at the bottom again like Grudens teams. Its also awsome that our HC now went out and found a franchise QB like Freeman. Gruden passed on Rodgers. What a joke! Raheem knows talent. Not old washed up players that have a year left in the tank. The better days are here now that the clown Gruden is gone.

[JDog]

Heemy took over a solid team that had just gone 9-7 two years in a row.

Gruden didn't take over a 9-7 team with the Raiders.    He took over a floundering team that went 4-12 the year before he came.    He took them to 8-8 his first year (not 3-13).    His 2nd season, the Raiders were one game away from winning the division title.   His 3rd season he went 12-4 and won the division.    He also won his division again the following year.   (Kiffin was not his defensive coordinator in any of those seasons)     He was then traded to the Bucs and won the superbowl against the Raider team he had just built.   

The guy that succeeded Gruden in Oakland was able to take them to the Super Bowl........something Gruden could not do, so does that mean that Callahan is a better coach than Gruden? And to say that Gruden "built" a team in Oakland is ludicrous. Everyone knows who does and always has called ALL the shots in Oakland....Davis. Once upon a time he was rather good at it, but, unfortunately, senility has sunk in the past decade or so.

It's too bad CyberDude is so much more clever than you.   You should change your screen name since you are put to shame by the other Cyber guy.

That Raider team was going to the superbowl that year regardless.    The problem was they used Gruden's same system and when they got to the superbowl against the guy who created that system, he flat shut it down.   Callahan should have invented his own system - but he couldn't.    In reality, Gruden took 2 teams to the superbowl that season.   That's the first and last time that will ever happen.

[JDog]

I'll give credit to Dominik for picking some good players.   But when it comes to coaching the players on the roster, Gruden is light years better than Heemy.    Heemy's clueless.

[CyberDilemma]

Heemy took over a solid team that had just gone 9-7 two years in a row.

Gruden didn't take over a 9-7 team with the Raiders.    He took over a floundering team that went 4-12 the year before he came.    He took them to 8-8 his first year (not 3-13).    His 2nd season, the Raiders were one game away from winning the division title.   His 3rd season he went 12-4 and won the division.    He also won his division again the following year.   (Kiffin was not his defensive coordinator in any of those seasons)     He was then traded to the Bucs and won the superbowl against the Raider team he had just built.   

The guy that succeeded Gruden in Oakland was able to take them to the Super Bowl........something Gruden could not do, so does that mean that Callahan is a better coach than Gruden? And to say that Gruden "built" a team in Oakland is ludicrous. Everyone knows who does and always has called ALL the shots in Oakland....Davis. Once upon a time he was rather good at it, but, unfortunately, senility has sunk in the past decade or so.

That Raider team was going to the superbowl that year regardless.   

The same could be said for the Tampa team that Gruden inherited.

[BucBalla85]

Boy is Gruden clueless. He passed on Rodgers and the guy won a super bowl. Good thing we have Morris now who knows a good QB when he sees one like Freeman. Maybe thats why Grudens on ESPN now and Raheem is in the draft room making big decisions for an NFL team. Gruden makes the decision what tie he wears on air that day. Wow what a change in his life. Raheems choices are much tougher and he is showing that he is the man for the job. Gruden would never have picked Freeman evidence by missing on Rodgers. Oh well at least we have Raheem running things now and not ESPN analyst. Thats just a recipe for disaster.

[JDog]

Heemy took over a solid team that had just gone 9-7 two years in a row.

Gruden didn't take over a 9-7 team with the Raiders.    He took over a floundering team that went 4-12 the year before he came.    He took them to 8-8 his first year (not 3-13).    His 2nd season, the Raiders were one game away from winning the division title.   His 3rd season he went 12-4 and won the division.    He also won his division again the following year.   (Kiffin was not his defensive coordinator in any of those seasons)     He was then traded to the Bucs and won the superbowl against the Raider team he had just built.   

The guy that succeeded Gruden in Oakland was able to take them to the Super Bowl........something Gruden could not do, so does that mean that Callahan is a better coach than Gruden? And to say that Gruden "built" a team in Oakland is ludicrous. Everyone knows who does and always has called ALL the shots in Oakland....Davis. Once upon a time he was rather good at it, but, unfortunately, senility has sunk in the past decade or so.

That Raider team was going to the superbowl that year regardless.   

The same could be said for the Tampa team that Gruden inherited.

No way in hell that team would have gotten past the Eagles without Gruden.   That had been proven enough times already by Dungy.

[BucBalla85]

Remember when Ronde picked off that pass. What a call by the defense. Im pretty sure I saw Morris teaching Ronde how to play McNabb on the sideline before the series. Too bad Gruden doesnt know defense or offense for that matter. He may have a job now and not on with ESPN and would have a HC job like Raheem.

[JDog]

Ronde actually said after that game that he made that interception by doing something the coaches didn't want him to do.   That one was all on Ronde and his instincts.

Isn't it interesting that Ronde and that defense couldn't beat the Eagles whiile Dungy was there?

Gruden was the key difference to beating the Eagles.   No doubt about that.

[BucBalla85]

Yea because if Barber would have listened to Gruden it would have been a TD. A true nightmare. Good thing he had good coaches in the secondary to tell him to act on instinct and not on what the HC says all the time. Maybe thats why the team bailed on him those last two seasons. Gruden obviously didnt know what he was doing. Maybe thats why hes working for ESPN now and not a HC like Raheem.

[JDog]

Gruden didn't coach the secondary.   Raheem did.    Ronde was going against Raheem's coaching.   

[JDog]

I will say that Gruden didn't assemble any talent.   But he was a great coach.  Still is.    Give Gruden the same 10-6 team in 2010 and he would have led them to a 15-1 record.   

[Legend]

Pretty soon half the board is gonna look like this
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[BucBalla85]

I agree Gruden couldnt assemble talent. Maybe if he wouldnt have had his head up his arse maybe he would have been able to. Its all good though because we have Raheem now and he knows how to assemble a team. You have to assemble a team before you can coach jdog. Raheem knows this and this is why he took his job and Grudens on ESPN now.

[1sparkybuc]

Gruden should have remained an OC. He was a lousy HC and a lousy leader. He beat the Raiders because he knew them inside and out, and Dungy and Kiffin gave him a Defense that could do the job. That was the last time the Bucs won a playoff game under him. He lied to Warren Sapp. The players couldn't trust him. The offensive "genius" had one top ten team in seven seasons, and they were #10. Kiffin ran the Defense. Gruden had seven years to find a franchise QB and build around him. He couldn't do it. There was no light at the end of the tunnel. There was no end in sight. It was a never-ending treadmill of has-beens and never-would-bes. Gruden doesn't have the patience to teach and train young players to perform at this level, and he has no eye for talent. He generates no sense of loyalty with his players, and very little with his staff. It's easy to understand why he was fired, and difficult to understand why anyone would want to hire him. What little success he had after 2002 was largely because of the Defense. When they folded, he was toast. Nobody misses him. His one contribution is appreciated, but nobody wants him back. Not now. Not ever. This team had no future with Gruden and Allen.

The Glazers finally had had enough, along with the rest of us. They recognized that, with Gruden, it was going to be more of the same. They proved they care by paying him to leave. When you pay someone fifteen million dollars to go away, you're serious. Ten wins with the youngest HC and team in the league, proves that they did the right thing. If the officials had made the right call with Detroit, the story would be even better. Raheem is the best thing to ever happen to this organization.