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#45 : April 01, 2011, 07:37:07 PM

This is the best thing to ever happen to this organization.   To say otherwise is ignorance or a lie.




It's also an insult to Dungy to say that some guy who hasn't ever made the playoffs is the best thing to ever happen to the organization.   Dungy made the playoffs his 2nd season.


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#46 : April 01, 2011, 11:31:46 PM

This is the best thing to ever happen to this organization.   To say otherwise is ignorance or a lie.




It's also an insult to Dungy to say that some guy who hasn't ever made the playoffs is the best thing to ever happen to the organization.   Dungy made the playoffs his 2nd season.

Gruden blows

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#47 : April 01, 2011, 11:33:26 PM

Gruden should have remained an OC. He was a lousy HC and a lousy leader. He beat the Raiders because he knew them inside and out, and Dungy and Kiffin gave him a Defense that could do the job. That was the last time the Bucs won a playoff game under him. He lied to Warren Sapp. The players couldn't trust him. The offensive "genius" had one top ten team in seven seasons, and they were #10. Kiffin ran the Defense. Gruden had seven years to find a franchise QB and build around him. He couldn't do it. There was no light at the end of the tunnel. There was no end in sight. It was a never-ending treadmill of has-beens and never-would-bes. Gruden doesn't have the patience to teach and train young players to perform at this level, and he has no eye for talent. He generates no sense of loyalty with his players, and very little with his staff. It's easy to understand why he was fired, and difficult to understand why anyone would want to hire him. What little success he had after 2002 was largely because of the Defense. When they folded, he was toast. Nobody misses him. His one contribution is appreciated, but nobody wants him back. Not now. Not ever. This team had no future with Gruden and Allen.

The Glazers finally had had enough, along with the rest of us. They recognized that, with Gruden, it was going to be more of the same. They proved they care by paying him to leave. When you pay someone fifteen million dollars to go away, you're serious. Ten wins with the youngest HC and team in the league, proves that they did the right thing. If the officials had made the right call with Detroit, the story would be even better. Raheem is the best thing to ever happen to this organization.

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 I thought Lovie said he wanted quickness & speed, even at the QB position?

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#48 : April 01, 2011, 11:57:36 PM

He beat the Raiders because he knew them inside and out


And what's your excuse for Gruden being able to beat the Eagles in Philly when Dungy failed every time with the same team?


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#49 : April 02, 2011, 12:05:07 AM

The Raiders deserved to get a butt kicking in that game since they didn't change Gruden's system at all that year.   They rode his coattails to the Superbowl (Raiders were going to the superbowl that year if Gruden had stayed in Oakland as well) and when they got there, Gruden **CENSORED** slapped them.    Trading for Gruden was the best move the Bucs ever made.    It gave them a superbowl championship.   And that's something this team never would have had in our lifetimes if they did not trade for Gru.

The team could go 0-16 from now until eternity and it wouldn't take away the glory of that 2002 season.


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#50 : April 02, 2011, 01:54:01 AM

Gruden gave us a solid year. Of course that was Dungys team. Gruden just gave that offense the extra push it needed. After that Gruden wasted his days here. He accomplished nada. Oh except draft Talib and Jackson. Thanks Gruman for the trash. Good thing we got Raheem now who knows not to draft players like them. Players like Freeman and Grimm never would have played for Gruden because Gruden has to play 40 year old QBs like Garcia. Wow how lucky are the Bucs now that they got a HC like Raheem. Its a dream come true. The days when Gruden was here was a nightmare. Time for Raheem to wake us up from the nightmare and show us how real football is played. Gruden obviously didnt know at all. Its ok he can analyze Raheem from the ESPN film room. Maybe he will learn then.

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#51 : April 02, 2011, 10:56:07 AM

Gruden just gave that offense the extra push it needed.


True.   And resulted in the best moment of any Buc fan's life as a fan.   

You can thank him for the most joy you've ever experienced as a Buc fan.





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#52 : April 02, 2011, 04:31:13 PM

For one season Gruden was a solution. For six seasons he was a problem. At least Dungy left a foundation to build on. Gruden left a team in shambles with no solution in sight. The Glazers  figured it was worth fifteen million dollars to get rid of the problem. Raheem and Dominik know how build a team, and generate unity. Gruden was fired because he couldn't.

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#53 : April 02, 2011, 05:14:32 PM

Gruden was a problem indeed. Its no surprise now why the media disliked him so much. Didnt treat the players right and couldnt build a team. Now that Raheems the coach we dont have to worry about that. Raheems the solution to the mess Gruden left. Thank god for the Glazers to see that and make the decision they did. Gruden obviously didnt know what he was doing when he actually had to put a roster together and not given a super bowl team. Raheems had to put a team together from scratch and got a 10-6 record with a bunch of youngsters. Gruden filled his rosters with useless veterans. Its almost cheating that doesnt work. No wonder hes on ESPN now and not on the sideline like Raheem.

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#54 : April 02, 2011, 05:22:04 PM

Cue the excuse-makers in 3....2....1....

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#55 : April 02, 2011, 08:39:38 PM

Gruden just gave that offense the extra push it needed.


True.   And resulted in the best moment of any Buc fan's life as a fan.   

You can thank him for the most joy you've ever experienced as a Buc fan.




Maybe you guys missed this post.


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#56 : April 02, 2011, 09:33:58 PM

He beat the Raiders because he knew them inside and out


And what's your excuse for Gruden being able to beat the Eagles in Philly when Dungy failed every time with the same team?

You mean that same team that beat us in the regular season? The same team that shut down Mr. All Time A+ #1 Big Time American Offensive Guru Jon Gruden's offense and held them to less than 160 yards in the air and less than 100 yds rushing? I'd have to say the fact that we held them to under 100 yards rushing and didn't allow a passing touchdown while also recovering 2 fumbles and Gramatica hitting 2 FG's. Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if we really even needed an offense that year.


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#57 : April 02, 2011, 09:52:49 PM

He beat the Raiders because he knew them inside and out


And what's your excuse for Gruden being able to beat the Eagles in Philly when Dungy failed every time with the same team?

You mean that same team that beat us in the regular season? The same team that shut down Mr. All Time A+ #1 Big Time American Offensive Guru Jon Gruden's offense and held them to less than 160 yards in the air and less than 100 yds rushing? I'd have to say the fact that we held them to under 100 yards rushing and didn't allow a passing touchdown while also recovering 2 fumbles and Gramatica hitting 2 FG's. Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if we really even needed an offense that year.


The Bucs lost to them in the regular season, but Gruden adjusted to the Eagles the next time they met.   That was something Dungy could never figure out.   Dungy was continually outcoached by Reid.   The exact opposite happened in that NFC Championship game.  Gruden outcoached Reid.    That's the reason the Bucs won that game.


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#58 : April 02, 2011, 10:16:06 PM

He beat the Raiders because he knew them inside and out


And what's your excuse for Gruden being able to beat the Eagles in Philly when Dungy failed every time with the same team?

You mean that same team that beat us in the regular season? The same team that shut down Mr. All Time A+ #1 Big Time American Offensive Guru Jon Gruden's offense and held them to less than 160 yards in the air and less than 100 yds rushing? I'd have to say the fact that we held them to under 100 yards rushing and didn't allow a passing touchdown while also recovering 2 fumbles and Gramatica hitting 2 FG's. Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if we really even needed an offense that year.


The Bucs lost to them in the regular season, but Gruden adjusted to the Eagles the next time they met.   That was something Dungy could never figure out.   Dungy was continually outcoached by Reid.   The exact opposite happened in that NFC Championship game.  Gruden outcoached Reid.    That's the reason the Bucs won that game.

I have no problem agreeing that Gruden adjusted his game the second time around and that Dungy wasn't able to do the same. He went from hardly any offense to a little offense and that helped the defense get some rest which lead to the win.

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#59 : April 02, 2011, 10:18:28 PM

We are on the same page.

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