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« #15 : April 04, 2011, 03:13:42 PM »

Malcolm was a brilliant man, New Stadium, New Uniforms, and hired a top ten all time greatest coaches. Super Bowl Champions.  Winning.   The Dead End kids???   Fired the greatest Buccaneers coach ever.  Losing.

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Pat Yasinskas: Malcolm Glazer obviously was a very astute businessman and that’s how he assembled a huge fortune. But the fact is, he never was heavily involved in the day-to-day operations of the Bucs. Yes, he was available for consult and ultimately signed off on major decisions. But, since the day the Glazer family bought the team, sons Bryan and Joel have run the day-to-day operations and youngest son, Ed, joined them a bit later. The only thing that’s changed in recent years is that Malcolm Glazer has had some health problems and has even less to do with the day-to-day operations. Truth is, part of the reason Malcolm Glazer bought the team in the first place was because his sons were huge football fans. Malcolm Glazer didn't follow the game all that closely. In fact, there's a legendary story about one of the few news conferences he ever took part in. It was to announce a contract extension for Warren Sapp and the plan called for him to make a joke about how the contract meant Sapp better produce a lot of sacks. Before the news conference started, a Bucs staffer had to take Malcolm Glazer aside and explain what a sack was.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/19684/hitting-the-nfc-south-hot-spots-21

Malcom didn't do any of what you just said, his sons did from the beginning, he just signed the checks.

You know better.
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« #16 : April 04, 2011, 03:52:35 PM »

Malcolm was a brilliant man, New Stadium, New Uniforms, and hired a top ten all time greatest coaches. Super Bowl Champions.  Winning.   The Dead End kids???   Fired the greatest Buccaneers coach ever.  Losing.

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Pat Yasinskas: Malcolm Glazer obviously was a very astute businessman and that’s how he assembled a huge fortune. But the fact is, he never was heavily involved in the day-to-day operations of the Bucs. Yes, he was available for consult and ultimately signed off on major decisions. But, since the day the Glazer family bought the team, sons Bryan and Joel have run the day-to-day operations and youngest son, Ed, joined them a bit later. The only thing that’s changed in recent years is that Malcolm Glazer has had some health problems and has even less to do with the day-to-day operations. Truth is, part of the reason Malcolm Glazer bought the team in the first place was because his sons were huge football fans. Malcolm Glazer didn't follow the game all that closely. In fact, there's a legendary story about one of the few news conferences he ever took part in. It was to announce a contract extension for Warren Sapp and the plan called for him to make a joke about how the contract meant Sapp better produce a lot of sacks. Before the news conference started, a Bucs staffer had to take Malcolm Glazer aside and explain what a sack was.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/19684/hitting-the-nfc-south-hot-spots-21

Malcom didn't do any of what you just said, his sons did from the beginning, he just signed the checks.

You know better.

I see facts from a credible source. Where are yours?
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Well you got sources here, called the Pewter Report staff.  Ask them.  Malcolm didn't make billions by just signing checks.  Only one thing you need to know about the Glazers boys,,,,,They hired R.Morris,   case closed.

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« #17 : April 04, 2011, 04:14:00 PM »

Malcolm made his money OUTSIDE of football, he purchased the franchise for his son's. How would he know which coaches to hire, if he didn't even know what a 'sack' was.

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« #18 : April 04, 2011, 04:46:01 PM »

Malcolm was a brilliant man, New Stadium, New Uniforms, and hired a top ten all time greatest coaches. Super Bowl Champions.  Winning.   The Dead End kids???   Fired the greatest Buccaneers coach ever.  Losing.

Yea until Morris brings in 2 SB which he will, Gruden who I appreciate for doing good 1 year will be forgotten because he could only do it for 1 year if you can't win more than 2 winning seasons out of 6 years with no games won in the playoffs I don't see how that can be classified as " Greatest Bucs coach ever. How is 2 winning season in 6 years good? both games lost in Wildcard games. 5-11 in 04? 4-12 in 06?  some great coach.

How many years was Dungy coach of the Colts? He only won one Super Bowl with that team....with one of the best QBs to have played the game. Gruden actually has a better post-season winning percentage than Dungy.

Does this make Dungy a bad coach?

The Glazers are not as well liked right now because they appear cheap and they have appeared to be more interested in Manchester United. They raised ticket prices in 2007 by 30%. That made the Bucs the 3rd most expensive tickets in league. Considering the local economy, it was way overpriced. This was a really stupid decision because 1 year later a ton of seat contracts expired and a lot of fans angry with that price increase dumped their tickets. So now they've been forced to drop prices because the place is half-empty. Then you have the fact that this is by far the cheapest payroll in the NFL.

In 2009 they fired their Super Bowl coach. They released all the stars. And the team had a horrrible 3-13 season that included a 0-7 start. A lot of fans right now are still not buying into the team even with a 10-6 season in 2010. Read the blogs, listen to callers on the radio, etc... People think the Bucs last season were a fluke because they faced a lot of bad teams with bad QBs.

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« #19 : April 04, 2011, 05:02:04 PM »

Dungy is a great coach because he won consistantly. Not the up and down roller coaster ride we experienced here during Gruden's tenure.

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« #20 : April 04, 2011, 05:09:05 PM »

cyberdude558......you are right on.....they raised the tickets 33 percent....no other nfl team ever did that......people were locked in because of the seat contract but when it was over the next year they bailed out in droves......tampa is not in the same market with the bears,giants ,jets cowboys,all the big markets but they were priced that way and now with the rotten economy no body really has the money......so if they think if they lower the prices a few bucks here and there they will get the fans b ack they are nuts......WHY....because nobody has the money ......people were barely ab le to afford the tickets b efore they raised them 33 per cent.......so imo it will take a banner year for the bucs just to sell out half their games.......they will not have continuous sellouts till they chop about 25 bucks off of ev er ticket and lower the hot dogs ,beer and soda too imvho......tatmanfish are you there......not everybody has a good job with benefits .......in fact in the tampa area most don't......somebody should tell the glazers this isn't new york.
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« #21 : April 04, 2011, 05:10:28 PM »

Malcolm was a brilliant man, New Stadium, New Uniforms, and hired a top ten all time greatest coaches. Super Bowl Champions.  Winning.   The Dead End kids???   Fired the greatest Buccaneers coach ever.  Losing.

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Pat Yasinskas: Malcolm Glazer obviously was a very astute businessman and that’s how he assembled a huge fortune. But the fact is, he never was heavily involved in the day-to-day operations of the Bucs. Yes, he was available for consult and ultimately signed off on major decisions. But, since the day the Glazer family bought the team, sons Bryan and Joel have run the day-to-day operations and youngest son, Ed, joined them a bit later. The only thing that’s changed in recent years is that Malcolm Glazer has had some health problems and has even less to do with the day-to-day operations. Truth is, part of the reason Malcolm Glazer bought the team in the first place was because his sons were huge football fans. Malcolm Glazer didn't follow the game all that closely. In fact, there's a legendary story about one of the few news conferences he ever took part in. It was to announce a contract extension for Warren Sapp and the plan called for him to make a joke about how the contract meant Sapp better produce a lot of sacks. Before the news conference started, a Bucs staffer had to take Malcolm Glazer aside and explain what a sack was.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/19684/hitting-the-nfc-south-hot-spots-21

Malcom didn't do any of what you just said, his sons did from the beginning, he just signed the checks.

You know better.

I see facts from a credible source. Where are yours?

Well you got sources here, called the Pewter Report staff.  Ask them.  Malcolm didn't make billions by just signing checks.  Only one thing you need to know about the Glazers boys,,,,,They hired R.Morris,   case closed.
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And we got a 10 win season from Raheem in a tough division. We get a team full of young Talent and a Franchise QB who is   learning the game at a high level.

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« #22 : April 04, 2011, 05:22:22 PM »

Malcolm was a brilliant man, New Stadium, New Uniforms, and hired a top ten all time greatest coaches. Super Bowl Champions.  Winning.   The Dead End kids???   Fired the greatest Buccaneers coach ever.  Losing.

Yea until Morris brings in 2 SB which he will, Gruden who I appreciate for doing good 1 year will be forgotten because he could only do it for 1 year if you can't win more than 2 winning seasons out of 6 years with no games won in the playoffs I don't see how that can be classified as " Greatest Bucs coach ever. How is 2 winning season in 6 years good? both games lost in Wildcard games. 5-11 in 04? 4-12 in 06?  some great coach.

How many years was Dungy coach of the Colts? He only won one Super Bowl with that team....with one of the best QBs to have played the game. Gruden actually has a better post-season winning percentage than Dungy.

Does this make Dungy a bad coach?

The Glazers are not as well liked right now because they appear cheap and they have appeared to be more interested in Manchester United. They raised ticket prices in 2007 by 30%. That made the Bucs the 3rd most expensive tickets in league. Considering the local economy, it was way overpriced. This was a really stupid decision because 1 year later a ton of seat contracts expired and a lot of fans angry with that price increase dumped their tickets. So now they've been forced to drop prices because the place is half-empty. Then you have the fact that this is by far the cheapest payroll in the NFL.

In 2009 they fired their Super Bowl coach. They released all the stars. And the team had a horrrible 3-13 season that included a 0-7 start. A lot of fans right now are still not buying into the team even with a 10-6 season in 2010. Read the blogs, listen to callers on the radio, etc... People think the Bucs last season were a fluke because they faced a lot of bad teams with bad QBs.

Jon Gruden 2 winning seasons after the SB was something to be happy about? was that a fluke? he couldn't make it out of the wildcard in the 2 season he made the playoffs. People will be back at the games or just look like a bad fan base because this team is going to play lights out for the next couple of years. I guess the Glazers not caring really hurt this 10-6 football team, man they don't bring talent to TB. You have been saying the same garbage since before the season, proved wrong all season long and still at it. It's okay as the team keeps winning you'll get over it.

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« #23 : April 04, 2011, 05:27:50 PM »

Malcolm was a brilliant man, New Stadium, New Uniforms, and hired a top ten all time greatest coaches. Super Bowl Champions.  Winning.   The Dead End kids???   Fired the greatest Buccaneers coach ever.  Losing.


Well, you are partially correct. Malcolm was intricately involved in the stadium deal after he bought the team, because getting a favorable real estate deal is what he knows best.......BUT........anything else that you mentioned was strictly on the kids.....Malcolm bowed out of any day-to-day decisions of the Bucs operations once the stadium deal was done.

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« #24 : April 04, 2011, 05:42:56 PM »

The Bucs played some of the worst teams in the league last year. NFC West plus the Panthers were 6 wins. Another win was against the Redskins only because they botched a PAT. Another win was against the Browns who's coach was fired. Another win against the Bengals whose QB wants to be traded. The Saints game I consider a wash because the Bucs got destroyed in the first meeting.

But the Bucs are better than the Panthers, Bengals, Browns, and the NFC West. I guess that's improvement from 2009. But I dont see this team as a playoff team. There is no pass rush. The LBs are huge question marks. And now the secondary is a mess thanks to Tanard and Talib. And this team refuses to even consider free agency to help fill a couple holes. Why? Because they are cheap!
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« #25 : April 04, 2011, 06:17:52 PM »

The Bucs played some of the worst teams in the league last year. NFC West plus the Panthers were 6 wins. !


The Saints and Falcons played every one of those exact same teams and I do not see anyone discounting their win/loss record from last year.

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« #26 : April 04, 2011, 06:19:50 PM »

The Bucs played some of the worst teams in the league last year. NFC West plus the Panthers were 6 wins. Another win was against the Redskins only because they botched a PAT. Another win was against the Browns who's coach was fired. Another win against the Bengals whose QB wants to be traded. The Saints game I consider a wash because the Bucs got destroyed in the first meeting.

But the Bucs are better than the Panthers, Bengals, Browns, and the NFC West. I guess that's improvement from 2009. But I dont see this team as a playoff team. There is no pass rush. The LBs are huge question marks. And now the secondary is a mess thanks to Tanard and Talib. And this team refuses to even consider free agency to help fill a couple holes. Why? Because they are cheap!

Any given sunday. The pats and Saints should know. That bad NFC west team we beat put the Saints out of the playoffs. TB almost beat the Ravens and they held it close with the Steelers. TB owns GB right now. Just like TB did with WRs last year they will do with DE and give that 6th ranked pass D some help. This team isn't far off from making it to the SB, DE and LB can be turned around in this draft. Tanard didn't even matter he wasn't missed, Talib can be replaced. Yes he got picks but he also got burnt deep a lot. Biggers next to Barber can work and it will if Talib isn't back with the team. Oh yea Cheap got them to 10-6 while the other teams who filled holes with FA had a worse record.

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« #27 : April 04, 2011, 06:24:37 PM »

The Bucs played some of the worst teams in the league last year. NFC West plus the Panthers were 6 wins. !


The Saints and Falcons played every one of those exact same teams and I do not see anyone discounting their win/loss record from last year.

Not to mention the Falcons almost lost to San Fran who TB beat 21-0.   Saints almost lost to the Panthers, San Fran. Got beat down by the Browns.

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« #28 : April 04, 2011, 06:34:44 PM »

The Bucs played some of the worst teams in the league last year. NFC West plus the Panthers were 6 wins. Another win was against the Redskins only because they botched a PAT. Another win was against the Browns who's coach was fired. Another win against the Bengals whose QB wants to be traded. The Saints game I consider a wash because the Bucs got destroyed in the first meeting.

But the Bucs are better than the Panthers, Bengals, Browns, and the NFC West. I guess that's improvement from 2009. But I dont see this team as a playoff team. There is no pass rush. The LBs are huge question marks. And now the secondary is a mess thanks to Tanard and Talib. And this team refuses to even consider free agency to help fill a couple holes. Why? Because they are cheap!

With so much negativity surrounding this cheap azz team...... why are u here?

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« #29 : April 04, 2011, 06:38:28 PM »

The Bucs played some of the worst teams in the league last year. NFC West plus the Panthers were 6 wins. Another win was against the Redskins only because they botched a PAT. Another win was against the Browns who's coach was fired. Another win against the Bengals whose QB wants to be traded. The Saints game I consider a wash because the Bucs got destroyed in the first meeting.

But the Bucs are better than the Panthers, Bengals, Browns, and the NFC West. I guess that's improvement from 2009. But I dont see this team as a playoff team. There is no pass rush. The LBs are huge question marks. And now the secondary is a mess thanks to Tanard and Talib. And this team refuses to even consider free agency to help fill a couple holes. Why? Because they are cheap!

Does it matter? It's not the Bucs' fault the other teams blow. We are given a schedule by the NFL. All we can do is play it the best we can.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.
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