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: April 21, 2011, 12:14:28 PM

APRIL 21, 2011

 Would Bucs pull the trigger on Da'Quan Bowers if available?


There's a rapidly growing sentiment in league circles that Clemson's Da'Quan Bowers, formerly a consensus top 10 pick in this year's NFL draft, could be in for a precipitous fall on draft night because of a lingering knee injury.

There have been reports and rumors of failed physicals and even suggestions of an arthritic condition, all of which are setting off alarm bells throughout NFL front offices. Bowers' camp acknowledges the injury but refutes the more serious claims.

But the more information is disseminated, the more it becomes a possibility that Bowers could be on the board when the Bucs select at No. 20 overall.

If and when that happens, the Bucs will be facing a difficult decision. Do they take a slight risk and grab Bowers despite the concerns? Or do they opt for a healthier but inferior pass rusher or, say, a cornerback who is NFL ready?

The answer might vary from team to team, but there is reason to believe the Bucs might pull the trigger on Bowers, provided he was available and the team believed the injury is not a long-term concern.

There's a bit of precedent for this in the team's recent history. Though the scenarios aren't identical, the Bucs were the team that opened its arms to tight end Kellen Winslow despite widespread fears about his knee's condition. Those concerns were more than legitimate, too, given the number of games Winslow has missed in his career. But the decision to trade second- and fifth-round picks to the Browns for Winslow in 2009 has paid huge dividends for Bucs general manager Mark Dominik. Winslow has averaged 71.5 receptions in his first two seasons in Tampa Bay and hasn't missed a game.

The Bucs also took some gambles in the draft by selecting receiver Mike Williams and claiming LeGarrette Blount off waivers, last year giving them two players who many teams had removed from their draft boards because of character concerns. This is not exactly the same situation, but there are parallels in terms of the Bucs taking chances in the draft.

And in the case of Bowers, the breathtaking talent might just overshadow the risk. Bowers notched 15.5 sacks and 24 tackles for losses in 2010, and he seems to be a more proven and polished player than Gaines Adams was in college -- another Clemson defensive end the Bucs drafted in the first round.

Adams didn't become a star and was traded away for a lack of production before his untimely death last year. But his time in Tampa Bay was seen as a failure in large part because he was the fourth overall pick. This year, if Bowers fell to the Bucs, Tampa Bay could justify rolling the dice with a pick in the latter half of the first round.

And, judging from history, there's reason to think the Bucs might just do it.


.Posted by Stephen Holder at 9:48:20 am on April 21, 2011

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#1 : April 21, 2011, 12:17:42 PM

I don't think he'll be there waiting for us - but wold love to see it.  Finishing the year there was talk about him at #1 overall, he might be worth the risk at #20.


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#2 : April 21, 2011, 01:07:21 PM

Bucs were terrified to pull the trigger on the best DL to come out in the last 20 years.  No they will not.

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#3 : April 21, 2011, 01:20:06 PM

APRIL 21, 2011

 Would Bucs pull the trigger on Da'Quan Bowers if available?


There's a rapidly growing sentiment in league circles that Clemson's Da'Quan Bowers, formerly a consensus top 10 pick in this year's NFL draft, could be in for a precipitous fall on draft night because of a lingering knee injury.

There have been reports and rumors of failed physicals and even suggestions of an arthritic condition, all of which are setting off alarm bells throughout NFL front offices. Bowers' camp acknowledges the injury but refutes the more serious claims.

But the more information is disseminated, the more it becomes a possibility that Bowers could be on the board when the Bucs select at No. 20 overall.

If and when that happens, the Bucs will be facing a difficult decision. Do they take a slight risk and grab Bowers despite the concerns? Or do they opt for a healthier but inferior pass rusher or, say, a cornerback who is NFL ready?

The answer might vary from team to team, but there is reason to believe the Bucs might pull the trigger on Bowers, provided he was available and the team believed the injury is not a long-term concern.

There's a bit of precedent for this in the team's recent history. Though the scenarios aren't identical, the Bucs were the team that opened its arms to tight end Kellen Winslow despite widespread fears about his knee's condition. Those concerns were more than legitimate, too, given the number of games Winslow has missed in his career. But the decision to trade second- and fifth-round picks to the Browns for Winslow in 2009 has paid huge dividends for Bucs general manager Mark Dominik. Winslow has averaged 71.5 receptions in his first two seasons in Tampa Bay and hasn't missed a game.

The Bucs also took some gambles in the draft by selecting receiver Mike Williams and claiming LeGarrette Blount off waivers, last year giving them two players who many teams had removed from their draft boards because of character concerns. This is not exactly the same situation, but there are parallels in terms of the Bucs taking chances in the draft.

And in the case of Bowers, the breathtaking talent might just overshadow the risk. Bowers notched 15.5 sacks and 24 tackles for losses in 2010, and he seems to be a more proven and polished player than Gaines Adams was in college -- another Clemson defensive end the Bucs drafted in the first round.

Adams didn't become a star and was traded away for a lack of production before his untimely death last year. But his time in Tampa Bay was seen as a failure in large part because he was the fourth overall pick. This year, if Bowers fell to the Bucs, Tampa Bay could justify rolling the dice with a pick in the latter half of the first round.

And, judging from history, there's reason to think the Bucs might just do it.


.Posted by Stephen Holder at 9:48:20 am on April 21, 2011

Does Holder have some inside info? Why does he assume it a "slight risk." It could just as easily be a GIGANTIC risk as a slight one for all any of us know. Nobody is going to know the truth to this situation until after the draftt (and even then, maybe not for months or more.) It is pointless right now to assume anything about this dude's knee or where he is going in the draft or whether he would be a good value or good risk at #20.

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#4 : April 21, 2011, 01:29:20 PM

Bucs were terrified to pull the trigger on the best DL to come out in the last 20 years.  No they will not.

I assume you are talking about Suh. But if memory serves me right, Suh was picked #2 and the Bucs picked #3. If there is a trade that was proposed by Detroit that the Bucs didn't pull the trigger on - I am unaware of it; Maybe you have some inside knowledge about it. The question is what if the Lions weren't willing to trade? If they were, what were they asking? What if they were asking for Freeman and Talib - still pull the trigger?


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#5 : April 21, 2011, 01:58:41 PM

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 Would Bucs pull the trigger on Da'Quan Bowers if available?


There's a rapidly growing sentiment in league circles that Clemson's Da'Quan Bowers, formerly a consensus top 10 pick in this year's NFL draft, could be in for a precipitous fall on draft night because of a lingering knee injury.

There have been reports and rumors of failed physicals and even suggestions of an arthritic condition, all of which are setting off alarm bells throughout NFL front offices. Bowers' camp acknowledges the injury but refutes the more serious claims.

But the more information is disseminated, the more it becomes a possibility that Bowers could be on the board when the Bucs select at No. 20 overall.

If and when that happens, the Bucs will be facing a difficult decision. Do they take a slight risk and grab Bowers despite the concerns? Or do they opt for a healthier but inferior pass rusher or, say, a cornerback who is NFL ready?

The answer might vary from team to team, but there is reason to believe the Bucs might pull the trigger on Bowers, provided he was available and the team believed the injury is not a long-term concern.

There's a bit of precedent for this in the team's recent history. Though the scenarios aren't identical, the Bucs were the team that opened its arms to tight end Kellen Winslow despite widespread fears about his knee's condition. Those concerns were more than legitimate, too, given the number of games Winslow has missed in his career. But the decision to trade second- and fifth-round picks to the Browns for Winslow in 2009 has paid huge dividends for Bucs general manager Mark Dominik. Winslow has averaged 71.5 receptions in his first two seasons in Tampa Bay and hasn't missed a game.

The Bucs also took some gambles in the draft by selecting receiver Mike Williams and claiming LeGarrette Blount off waivers, last year giving them two players who many teams had removed from their draft boards because of character concerns. This is not exactly the same situation, but there are parallels in terms of the Bucs taking chances in the draft.

And in the case of Bowers, the breathtaking talent might just overshadow the risk. Bowers notched 15.5 sacks and 24 tackles for losses in 2010, and he seems to be a more proven and polished player than Gaines Adams was in college -- another Clemson defensive end the Bucs drafted in the first round.

Adams didn't become a star and was traded away for a lack of production before his untimely death last year. But his time in Tampa Bay was seen as a failure in large part because he was the fourth overall pick. This year, if Bowers fell to the Bucs, Tampa Bay could justify rolling the dice with a pick in the latter half of the first round.

And, judging from history, there's reason to think the Bucs might just do it.


.Posted by Stephen Holder at 9:48:20 am on April 21, 2011
I have to say I agree with this.
If Bowers is there at #20 I'd turn over in my seat, he's a top 5 talent but fell due to the knee concerns and at #20, besides we don't really know how"bad" or "not bad" the knee is and how it could affect him in the future.
I think the knee thing is being blown up more than it should be, we traded for Kellen who has had a history of knee problems or surgeries, and all he's done is play every game since he got here.
Am I concerned? Yes it's a knee and anytime someone gets knee surgery it's a long process to heal up and get back to full strength. But I think his knee will be fine as far as I'm concerned.
I'm all for Bowers, whatever risk there is that we know of is outweighed by the value at this pick.
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#6 : April 21, 2011, 02:05:42 PM

Bowers and his agent have acknowledged the problem and have said it's not as bad as it's being reported.

All of this information could be disinformation from the Bucs FO and maybe some other FO behind us. FREE FALL baby.


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#7 : April 21, 2011, 02:07:43 PM

Bowers and his agent have acknowledged the problem and have said it's not as bad as it's being reported.

All of this information could be disinformation from the Bucs FO and maybe some other FO behind us. FREE FALL baby.
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Now he just needs to fall to #20.


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#8 : April 21, 2011, 02:08:28 PM

is bowers a potential LE or RE?  there are many top scouts that say he doesnt have elite speed/explosive first step.  what really makes him a top5 pick?

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#9 : April 21, 2011, 02:17:06 PM

RDE, I don't think people would have considered him the #1 overall pick if they thought he was going to be a LE.


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#10 : April 21, 2011, 02:19:41 PM

From what I have seen, read and heard, Winslow does not practice during the season and is also not an every down player. Winslow is also a veteran player who knows the ropes and plays a far less physical role, so the comparison to a rookie DE is stretching it a little. I don't know the truth about Bowers knee, but I would hope the Bucs do. If they feel it is a non-issue I would be fine with it, but if there is any question lets go with the BPA.

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#11 : April 21, 2011, 02:22:37 PM

so why are some willing to ignore the "presumption" he doesnt have the speed to be an edge rusher?  is it the stats?

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#12 : April 21, 2011, 02:28:50 PM

He's got better tools to work with than anyone else available at #20, plain and simple. His only concern is the knee.


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#13 : April 21, 2011, 02:29:08 PM

I don't think he'll be there waiting for us - but wold love to see it.  Finishing the year there was talk about him at #1 overall, he might be worth the risk at #20.

I don't like how some people see these types of situations as a 'VALUE' pick. What value will Bowers have if he blows his knee out the first game of the season?  Ive seen the man's highlight reel, he is raw, but how does somebody with that kind of talent fall so far? The guy's knees must be in pretty bad shape. Think about it. What is Gaines Adams worth today? What is Ryan Simms worth today? Nothing. But they were once considered top tier talents. In hindsight do you think anybody would have drafted them, even in the 7th round?

The guy has arthritis in his knees and he is just over 20 years old....thats pretty alarming. Aren't we trying to be a LASTING contender? Drafting somebody who has arthritis in their knees at 21 years of age dosent exactly fit that mold. Besides, noone has seen him play since he got knee surgery, so you have to ask yourself, what exactly are we getting and how sure can we be about that? What if this guy can't even finish ONE season of pro-football? He wouldn't even be worth a 7th round pick.

If it seems to good to be true it probably is. And if you are willing to risk drafting a player with health concerns like Bowers, why wouldnt' you just trade up and secure a safe and solid pick like JJ.Watt or ?

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#14 : April 21, 2011, 02:31:23 PM

I don't think he'll be there waiting for us - but wold love to see it.  Finishing the year there was talk about him at #1 overall, he might be worth the risk at #20.
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