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#30 : May 26, 2011, 10:51:21 PM

There really isn't much difference between the two - there is no product, only the employees' talent that others pay for.

Partnership?  So Jim Irsay gets a portion of Peyton Mannings endorsements?

No, partnership because Jim Irsay gets to draft Peyton Manning and doesn't have to negotiate for him against every other team in the NFL when he becomes eligible for the league. That and all the other things that NFL teams are able to do completely contrary to labor law/practice in our country. 

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#31 : May 27, 2011, 09:02:39 AM

There really isn't much difference between the two - there is no product, only the employees' talent that others pay for.

Partnership?  So Jim Irsay gets a portion of Peyton Mannings endorsements?

There is $9B worth of product that the players and owners split. So yes there is a product (you have sig videos of the product) and there is a partnership.
Tangible product...my B there.

But yea, still no true reciprocal partnership at all.


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#32 : May 27, 2011, 09:22:53 AM

No, partnership because Jim Irsay gets to draft Peyton Manning and doesn't have to negotiate for him against every other team in the NFL when he becomes eligible for the league.

Hmm, so one partner usually drafts the other partner?

This line of thinking is fudged up beyond comprehension.


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#33 : May 27, 2011, 09:29:20 AM

No, partnership because Jim Irsay gets to draft Peyton Manning and doesn't have to negotiate for him against every other team in the NFL when he becomes eligible for the league.

Hmm, so one partner usually drafts the other partner?

This line of thinking is fudged up beyond comprehension.
The argument has always been players don't get hired by individual teams; they get hired by the NFL. The players' choice is whether they want to play in the NFL, UFL, XFL, Arena League, or whatever.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#34 : May 27, 2011, 09:40:58 AM

Unions have a tendency of really pissing me off.  There is a point where Unions could be productive and necessary to look after employee rights, even in a lucrative sports league like the NFL, but  there seems to be a mentality that always takes hold where the Union (any union) gets enough power that they feel comfortable questioning the business owners right to make a profit.  When well paid, well treated, employee's like professional athletes do it it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  These aren't coal miners doing a much more dangerous job to earn just enough to barely keep their kids in food and clothes.  Players unions spewing all this pro worker socialism really turns me against the players.  They are exploiting the already broken union system to try to stuff their pockets with even more money they don't really need. 

If the union wants to impress me they need to talk about the things that make the union relevant, like player safety, drug testing, punishment of players, healthcare, pensions.... this whole thing is about squeezing the last dime from the owners and as far as I can tell, the real issues they should be worried about are secondary. 
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