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#15 : May 31, 2011, 10:36:06 AM

#5 is way off. The Rypien Skins????
And the 85 Bears are too high, they were not a balanced team great D but meh O. I'd put the '89 49ers, '78 Steelers and '72 Phins ahead of them and one of those mid 90s Cowboy teams.
I'd put the '02 Bucs a lot higher, that was one of the 5 best Ds ever.


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#16 : May 31, 2011, 11:20:44 AM

The Bogus call in the 2001 AFC championship game is the reason New England won it all. They never should have been in the SB in the first place.

And your point? They moved onto beat the Pittsburgh Steelers (the best team in the AFC) and the St. Louis Rams (the best team in the NFL).

But they weren't good enough to beat Oakland without that poor call by the ref.

Why do you necessarily have to be wrong just because a few million people think you are?

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#17 : May 31, 2011, 11:26:37 AM

The Bogus call in the 2001 AFC championship game is the reason New England won it all. They never should have been in the SB in the first place.

And your point? They moved onto beat the Pittsburgh Steelers (the best team in the AFC) and the St. Louis Rams (the best team in the NFL).

But they weren't good enough to beat Oakland without that poor call by the ref.

Yes, they got a call. But, please tell me any team in NFL history that never got the help of a lucky call their way? There isn't any! When you win a Super Bowl, all the cards fall your way and some if it's luck.

They were good enough to beat up on the Steelers and Rams.

All in all, the '01 Patriots define the word TEAM.

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#18 : May 31, 2011, 11:28:02 AM

No team ever got helped THAT much.   That was literally the biggest bad call in NFL history.    That one and the one in the Oilers/Steelers playoff game in 79.


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#19 : May 31, 2011, 11:29:05 AM

It was the RIGHT call, people were just extremely unfamilar with the tuck rule at the time, hence the controversy.


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#20 : May 31, 2011, 11:30:54 AM

No it wasn't.   That's like saying the Simeon Rice leaping call was the right call.   

The refs can nit pick at the rules every play if they want.   But the key is to call the game ethically.  Ethically, that was a fumble.


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#21 : May 31, 2011, 11:32:16 AM

His arm was going forward.

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#22 : May 31, 2011, 11:34:14 AM

No it wasn't.   And if it had been, it would not have been the tuck rule.


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#23 : May 31, 2011, 11:39:18 AM

If the QB drops or loses the football while he is bringing the ball forward in a passing motion, and the ball touches the ground, it is considered an incomplete pass.

NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2: "When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body."

That is the tuck rule
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#24 : May 31, 2011, 11:42:25 AM

No it wasn't.   And if it had been, it would not have been the tuck rule.

Yes it was the correct call.

"It applies if the quarterback brings his arm forward in a passing motion, but then changes his mind and tries to keep hold of the football rather than making a pass. In this situation, if the quarterback loses the ball while stopping his passing motion or bringing the ball back to his body, it is still considered a forward pass (and thus an incomplete pass if the ball hits the ground)."

Isn't that what Tom Brady did? YOU BET! So, it was the right call.

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#25 : May 31, 2011, 11:43:04 AM

If the QB drops or loses the football while he is bringing the ball forward in a passing motion, and the ball touches the ground, it is considered an incomplete pass.

NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2: "When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body."

That is the tuck rule

That is what I was looking for, haha. Thank you!

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#26 : May 31, 2011, 11:51:42 AM

 if the quarterback brings his arm forward in a passing motion, but then changes his mind and tries to keep hold of the football rather than making a pass. In this situation, if the quarterback loses the ball while stopping his passing motion or bringing the ball back to his body, it is still considered a forward pass (and thus an incomplete pass if the ball hits the ground).


In the video,he loses the ball after he has already brought the ball back and he was hit.   I don't agree with the call at all.    Had he lost it on his own bringing it back in, no problem, but he didn't.


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#27 : May 31, 2011, 11:55:17 AM

I believe he was still in the process of trying to tuck the ball back to his body.

And so does Walt Coleman.

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#28 : May 31, 2011, 11:56:53 AM

Good to see they put us way ahead of the 2000 Ravens.  They also put us ahead of the Colts and Packers from this past decade.  I think it was a fair spot...but agree we def. could've been placed higher.  We were absolutely better than the '01 Pats.

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#29 : May 31, 2011, 01:28:47 PM

this team ....if most are here the next 10 years could be one of the best of all time.....putting the cart way way before the horse...but we have the qb and all the others are talented and very very young.....why not......can't find a reason.
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