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#30 : June 05, 2011, 06:11:38 AM

Gruden's largest increase in victories from one year to the next was 6, Raheem's is 7. Raheem wins.

Had Raheem himself not caused that pathetic 3-13 season, I'd agree with you.    But really he went from a 9-7 team that beat a lot of teams with winning records to a 10-6 team that beat one team with a winning record.


So you guys don't seem to care if the Bucs make the playoffs.   As long as they keep bringing in young rookies with "potential", you guys are dazzled.    It's too bad most of Tampa doesn't agree with that way of thinking or the games wouldn't be blacked out.

A 9-7 team that lost to only 3 teams above .500 and only beat 4 teams above .500. And to be fair to Raheem, he only continued the losing streak that Gruden started.

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#31 : June 05, 2011, 07:21:29 AM

Gruden's largest increase in victories from one year to the next was 6, Raheem's is 7. Raheem wins.

Had Raheem himself not caused that pathetic 3-13 season, I'd agree with you.    But really he went from a 9-7 team that beat a lot of teams with winning records to a 10-6 team that beat one team with a winning record.


So you guys don't seem to care if the Bucs make the playoffs.   As long as they keep bringing in young rookies with "potential", you guys are dazzled.    It's too bad most of Tampa doesn't agree with that way of thinking or the games wouldn't be blacked out.

A 9-7 team that lost to only 3 teams above .500 and only beat 4 teams above .500. And to be fair to Raheem, he only continued the losing streak that Gruden started.

Yeah. Late in the season constant losses are horrible. The honorable Gruden should've known better than that.

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#32 : June 05, 2011, 07:50:12 AM

Not too many Coaches out there go to the playoff's three years in a row...OBD


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#33 : June 05, 2011, 08:13:01 AM

Are you serious? Can you really be that dumb? You do realize the difference between the team that Gruden inherited compared to the one Raheem was left with, right? Raheem wasn't given any Warren Sapps, or John Lynchs, or Derrick Brooks.

Gruden left nothing but an aging defense and nothing on offense because he couldn't draft for **CENSORED**. He won mostly with the team Dungy built and now we are building something again and you're bringing this bull**CENSORED** up? I don't know why you come on here an claim to be a fan when it's so clear that you want this team to fail.

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#34 : June 05, 2011, 08:22:21 AM

Raheem wasn't given any Warren Sapps, or John Lynchs, or Derrick Brooks.


Au contraire.   Raheem had Brooks when he first took over.   His first move was to cut him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3933807


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#35 : June 05, 2011, 08:39:37 AM

Yeah. An old Brooks that played injured often and lost production.

Also, idiots like you helped hype up Ruud, so that would be your own fault..

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#36 : June 05, 2011, 08:50:29 AM

Fellas lets remember that it was Monte Kiffen who was in charge of the Defense. He was to draft the defense and he did...Gaines Adams...If you can put the blame on appropreiately then place it squarely on both of them...Not just one...OBD


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#37 : June 05, 2011, 08:54:14 AM

True.  Kiffin wanted Gaines Adams and Kiffin and Raheem together wanted Aqib Talib.


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#38 : June 05, 2011, 08:56:46 AM

True.  Kiffin wanted Gaines Adams and Kiffin and Raheem together wanted Aqib Talib.
Don't forget Dungy and Kiffen both recruited Booger...OBD


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#39 : June 05, 2011, 08:58:17 AM

Not asking for a Lombardi.  Asking for him to make the playoffs.    If Gruden can make the playoffs with Chris Simms, Carnell Williams, Michael Clayton, Joey Galloway and Anthony Becht at the offensive skill positions, shouldn't the current team be able to make the playoffs with Josh Freeman, LeGarrette Blount, Mike Williams, Arrelious Benn, and  Kellen Winslow at the skill positions?   By the way, 2005 was the first year for Chris Simms as a starter, Caddy was a rookie and Clayton was quite young as well - so youth can't be an excuse.
NFL Team Total Defense Statistics - 2005                                               NFL Team Total Offense Statistics- 2005

1   Tampa Bay                                                                                              Tampa Bay: 23rd in Yards and 20th in Pts/pg
2   Chicago   
3   Carolina   
4   Pittsburgh   
5   Baltimore   
6   Jacksonville   
7   Green Bay   
8   Arizona   
9   Washington   
10   Dallas   


Make No mistake about it. The Bucs made the Playoffs in 2005 and every other time under Gruden "Because" they had these 3 guys and the rest of the D


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#40 : June 05, 2011, 08:59:35 AM

Is there some board function that will make entire threads disappear?  I have a couple of candidates....


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#41 : June 05, 2011, 09:00:11 AM

What 3 guys in 2005?   Sapp and Lynch were not on the Bucs in 2005.


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#42 : June 05, 2011, 09:01:55 AM

What 3 guys in 2005?   Sapp and Lynch were not on the Bucs in 2005.
NFL Team Total Defense Statistics - 2005                                               NFL Team Total Offense Statistics- 2005

1   Tampa Bay                                                                                              Tampa Bay: 23rd in Yards and 20th in Pts/pg
2   Chicago   
3   Carolina   
4   Pittsburgh   
5   Baltimore   
6   Jacksonville   
7   Green Bay   
8   Arizona   
9   Washington   
10   Dallas   


Spin That Troll.


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#43 : June 05, 2011, 09:09:51 AM

           1   2   3   4    T
WSH   14   3   0   0   17
TB             0   3   7   0   10


Team Stat Comparison
    
                                 Washington                     Tampa Bay
1st Downs                   9                                      17

3rd down efficiency   4-13                                    5-14

4th down efficiency     0-0                                    0-2

Total Yards                 120                                    243

Passing                     25                                    168

Comp-Att                     7-16                                  25-38

Yards per pass            1.6                                    4.4

Rushing                       95                                    75

Rushing Attempts       31                                    25

Yards per rush             3.1                                    3.0

Penalties                 4-30                                   3-30

Turnovers                    1                                     3

Fumbles lost                 0                                     1

Interceptions thrown    1                                     2

Possession                   25:31                          34:29

I mean what good coach can waste this type of performance by their Defense in a playoff game, at Home nonetheless?????  Defense only gives up 120 yards and 9 first downs and a supposed genius on offense can't put up 18 at home??????

The single most frustrating loss and the moment I knew Gruden was all flash and no substance. He followed that loss with a 2006 season Waaaaaay more horrible than Raheems first season.
: June 05, 2011, 09:11:44 AM PWNASAURUS


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#44 : June 05, 2011, 09:20:52 AM

That was the single most frustrating loss?   You must not have seen the 1999 Bucs at home against Giants.


Caddy's fumble and Simms batted passes along with bad ref calls cost the Bucs that Redskins game more than coaching did.     I'm not so sure there was much more that could have been done with Simms at QB in that one.   That Skins D was damn dangerous.   

You think Raheem could win with Simms?    Why don't the Bucs cut Freeman and sign Simms and let's see what happens.

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