LGBT History Month????

[Col. Klink]

You can call me whatever you like to do, but for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

I'm sure you will .... whenever it's convenient ... like all other Christians.

klink, I'm not going to toy with the notion of an attempt to begin to convince you about anything concerning me or my family. However, since you really don't know me, you must at least give me the benefit of the doubt, right? 

I don't need to know you to know that you're not serving your Lord in the way he calls for ... I'm pretty sure a family going around stoning people working on Sunday would have made the Internet at some point.

[BucsGuru]

Klink, you do in fact NEED to know someone in order to understand why they act or feel.  You mentioned knowing the Lord and what he demands of us; do you know Him?  Christ taught love of our neighbor, but did not teach acceptance of sin; it doesn't work both ways.  This is why he would say, "Go, and sin NO MORE."

But since you want to lobby for the rights of those who choose a sexual preference, then I suggest you familiarize yourself with a pedophile advocacy group.  They are every bit the same type of advocacy group as the LGBT Community in that they are just seeking acceptance for a way of life in which members feel they were genetically created to be this way.  And before you think this is crazy, understand that their lobby attempts have gone on decades without much support.  However, at what point do we stop as a society and say they too should be allowed to have the basic right to legally love the person they are involved with, even if it's a 12 year old.  And of cource your rebuttal will be that sex/marriage with minors is illegal, but so was the act of homosexuality in most states & countries at some point and time; never say never right?

WIKIPEDIA - PEDOPHILIA

Pedophile Advocacy Groups

"Pedophile advocacy groupsDuring the late 1950s to early 1990s, several pedophile membership organizations advocated age of consent reform to lower or abolish age of consent laws,[116][117][118] and for the acceptance of pedophilia as a sexual orientation rather than a psychological disorder,[119] and the legalization of child pornography.[118] The efforts of pedophile advocacy groups did not gain any public support[116][118][120][121][122] and today those few groups that have not dissolved have only minimal membership and have ceased their activities other than through a few websites.[118][122][123][124]"

[OneTruth]

Klink you don't Know the Lord...so how can you define what it takes to serve Him?

God knows what is IN man because He MADE man. He knows what will make us truly happy and at peace. Satan is a liar and the father of the lie. He could not stand fast in the truth because the truth is not in him.

[Col. Klink]

Klink you don't Know the Lord...so how can you define what it takes to serve Him?

He defines that himself ... at least 3 times:

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 31:14

Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 31:15

Six days shall work bedone, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. -- Exodus 35:2

Those are His words, defining what He wants ... What part don't you understand?

[Col. Klink]

But since you want to lobby for the rights of those who choose a sexual preference, then I suggest you familiarize yourself with a pedophile advocacy group.

Do you have any idea how freaking stupid taking this path makes you look??

However, at what point do we stop as a society and say they too should be allowed to have the basic right to legally love the person they are involved with, even if it's a 12 year old.  And of cource your rebuttal will be that sex/marriage with minors is illegal, but so was the act of homosexuality in most states & countries at some point and time; never say never right?

Inter-racial marriages were also illegal in some states ... but please note the big blue letters up there. THAT'S who ultimately sets the laws in this country, and in most civilizations from the dawn of time. To paraphrase a very wise man, "laws of the land derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical bogey man in the sky."

[BucsGuru]

Klink, how about answering the question instead of avoiding what I have plainly put before you...and please stop making references to the bible or God; I am not bringing Him into the dialogue, you are my friend.  You believe that bringing the pedophile question makes me look stupid, but I was alive when homosexuality went from not being discussed and kept behind closed doors to the point it is today.  I remember my parents not wanting to drop me and my friends off at the mall for fear a homosexual would snatch us up and rape us?!  Society at large during that time did not accept the behavior and I suppose someone made the remark back then about the issue of homosexuality as I am making today about pedophilia.  It isn't like their haven't been advocacy groups for pedophilia around since the 1950's. 

Morality isn't a central theme for society today, so there is nothing taboo anymore.  In certain parts of the world a person can go and enjoy the act of pedophilia without shame or remorse.  Countries all over the world are now catering to the LGBT Community, where not so long ago it was something not spoken of and kept behind closed doors.  Yet you believe I look foolish to bring the notion this couldn't happen in America?  I believe it is YOU who chooses to see through rose colored glasses and create the illusion that all christians are out to hate and kill anyone not like them. 

Seriously, you must be a young man to not understand the logic behind what I am discussing.  I'll make you a promise; you don't gring God up and I will not either; okay?

[OneTruth]

Klink Ill state this 1 time because im not going to get into a battle of words with a non-believer, and someone just trying to win a debate rather than increase their knowledge of the one true God.

All your quotes are from the old law of Moses. Jesus did away with that law. Jesus stated he did not come to destroy the law but rather fulfill it. Either way it is gone for Christians...is why you do not have to honor the sabbath. Even Jesus stated when they confronted him about healing/working on the sabbth  "My Father continues working to this day and I continue working as well, which one of you that has a thirsty cow won't untie it  and give it something to drink on the sabbath...how much more worth is this man than a cow..."

Also in addition to not observing the sabbath Christians do not need to sacrifice bulls and sheep like the old law states. Jesus is our high priest/ the lamb of God who provided the method for our redemption toward a renewed relationship with the creator.

Neither do Christians refrain from eatinfg shellfish and pork.

All these things are not clear to the unintiated/ profane but rather through deep meditation and analysis of scripture it is hidden in plain sight for all to see.

[BucsGuru]

And you are wrong my friend.  California voters voted against same sex marriage, but ONE homosexual federal judge decided to overturn the will of the people and state it was unconstitutional.  Do you believe that was his right?  ONE judge being able to overturn the actual will of the people in the state of California?  By the way, California is home to some of the largest population of LGBT Communities in the country. 

[BucsGuru]

OneTruth, we don't have the right to even attempt to change a man; only the Holy Spirit can do this.  It is futile to converse about the word of God with a mind which is not transformed; they simply cannot perceive truth in the flesh.  However, there was a time that you and I was just as this, so it is not for us to judge them or condemn them, but rather to love them.  We will NEVER win an argument with unbeliever...

[OneTruth]

agreed Guru but he will not be the only reading this thread.
My intention is to continue to fight the good fight until there no more breath in my lungs.

[BucsGuru]

The good fight is being re-defined in many ways.  I have learned to just present things which are logical and leave the rest to the Holy Spirit.

Klink, did you know the judge who overturned Proposition 8 in California was the first known gay person to serve as a U.S. Federal Judge.  Do you think it was mere coincidence that he "happened" to be the judge to make the decision when it was appealed?.....hmmm? 

[OneTruth]

Guru the point you are making with this judge is spot on. Funny how he just happened to be the rule of law in this particular case.

[Col. Klink]

Klink, how about answering the question instead of avoiding what I have plainly put before you...and please stop making references to the bible or God; I am not bringing Him into the dialogue, you are my friend.  You believe that bringing the pedophile question makes me look stupid, but I was alive when homosexuality went from not being discussed and kept behind closed doors to the point it is today.  I remember my parents not wanting to drop me and my friends off at the mall for fear a homosexual would snatch us up and rape us?!  Society at large during that time did not accept the behavior and I suppose someone made the remark back then about the issue of homosexuality as I am making today about pedophilia.  It isn't like their haven't been advocacy groups for pedophilia around since the 1950's. 

Morality isn't a central theme for society today, so there is nothing taboo anymore.  In certain parts of the world a person can go and enjoy the act of pedophilia without shame or remorse.  Countries all over the world are now catering to the LGBT Community, where not so long ago it was something not spoken of and kept behind closed doors.  Yet you believe I look foolish to bring the notion this couldn't happen in America?  I believe it is YOU who chooses to see through rose colored glasses and create the illusion that all christians are out to hate and kill anyone not like them. 

Seriously, you must be a young man to not understand the logic behind what I am discussing.  I'll make you a promise; you don't gring God up and I will not either; okay?

BG, if you take God out of this equation you come out sounding even more ignorant on this. At least you had it was a sin to fall back on .... weak as that was.

You do now realize how ridiculous it was for your parents to feel that way about dropping you off at the mall? You do realize now that you've grown up and gotten an education that neither pedophile nor rapist is a synonym for homosexual? You've got something personal against homosexuals because they're different and don't act the way you think they should but other than that, how does their existence affect you or anybody else that don't want to be in contact with them?

And I am far from a young man but I think a young man has an even better chance of seeing how flawed your logic is because they probably haven't been exposed to as much bigotry as the older generations have ...

[Col. Klink]

The good fight is being re-defined in many ways.  I have learned to just present things which are logical and leave the rest to the Holy Spirit.

Klink, did you know the judge who overturned Proposition 8 in California was the first known gay person to serve as a U.S. Federal Judge.  Do you think it was mere coincidence that he "happened" to be the judge to make the decision when it was appealed?.....hmmm?

Of course, it wasn't a coincidence .... Divine Intervention.

[BucsGuru]

Klink, I say you're just looking to argue for arguments sake.  Yes, you are right, homosexuals weren't going to kill me in the mall, but we were first learning about Aids in the early 80's and it was primarily affecting the gay community, so there was just cause for fear. 

Divine Intervention?  Really? 

Allow me one last time to clarify my primary position against the homosexual movement.  The LGBT Community is attempting to force a way of life which I view as choice upon people who feel their lifestyle is offensive, by teaching and educating children through Federally funded school systems, using bullying campaigns as their back drop.  This community is also attempting to force legislation to make viewing or thinking homosexuality wrong illegal.  If they simply wanted acceptance, they have sped past that want and are fighting to overhaul the basic beliefs of a majority of people.  I do not believe they should be allowed to educate my children which goes against what I believe should best be left at home.  If we shouldn't teach God in our schools, we shouldn't teach the homosexual lifestyle either.  But you obviously think we should since my opinion, which I am entitled to, is viewed as bigoted.  Well my friend, we will have to agree to disagree.