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#90 : August 01, 2011, 12:43:17 PM


These Bucs fans want the Bucs to blow all of their money on three or 4 of the top named Free agents, somehow thinking that is going to translate into a Bucs Superbowl.


Jesus Christ....  We are $60 million below the cap! Getting a few free agents isnt going to cash strap this team no matter how you want to figure it.

We don't spend that money, it goes right into the Glazers pocket. And that's the plan.
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#91 : August 02, 2011, 01:42:22 AM

Link???? Oh and who The F are you?? The team accountant??? If not STFU already with your uneducated nonsense. The Bucs have a team with Top 5-10 talent in the league and are getting excellent value for their payroll. If we were on Wall Street or Corporate America they would be praising the heck out of the team and everyone would want to buy stock. Just think about this for a minute, this team as it stands right now is gonna be damn hard to make. Their is excellent depth and competition at all positions with maybe OL being the weak link but they paid Davin and Penn huge $$$ and seem to believe in them and the young guys. New Coach and blocking scheme could be the difference?. If they bring in an outsider with GTD $$$ who gets left off the team??? I don't want to lose any of that young talent right now that is overflowing but unfortunately we can only keep 53 and I GUARANTEE you that other GM's will be all over our cuts and it will be hard for us to sneak guys onto the Practice squad this year. Get a grip people. If salaries and payroll were not made public and fans were only allowed to see the roster for the talent that is on it then NO ONE could complain because this is the most talented team top to bottom that has been here in 10 years at least.

Come on now, don't be silly.  When we spend 50 mil under the cap this season, that doesn't mean we get 50 mil added to our cap next year.  We just didn't spend the money.  There are lots of good players signing 1 and 2 year contracts (or longer with very low guaranteed money), who would have been upgrades on the field this season and off the books (or easily cut) when we need the money for our young guys.  NFL franchises generate more money then they cost to operate every season, even when teams are at the cap.  With the new agreement, it's going to get even a little better for the owners.  So it's not like ownership has to save money now to be able to float the team through lean times.  The money not being spent now will never be reinvested in the Buc franchise.  It's either going into the owners pockets or into another business venture. 

Also, this idea that the Bucs 53 is perfect right now and can't take any new players at the risk of future stars is ridiculous.  Who are our 5 backs?  Is Preston Parker (or Stroughter for that matter) such a star in the making that we can't find another player like him in any draft or any years free agent market?  Who are our 3rd and 4th ends, our 4th dt, our 5th cb.  There are 5-10 guys at the end of our roster that are never going to be anything better then NFL backups.  Not to mention guys like Jones, Graham, Faine who are not going to be long term players for the Bucs and could have been upgraded easily this off season.
The 5-10 guys at the end of the roster are the same for every team. You are not gonna go out and sign some FA to be a bottom 10 player on your team. The 1 or 2 year FA keeps players from developing who could be here for the long haul and then we never know what we had before it is time for them to be re-upped. You have to let these guys play. You sign FA to be starters and I don't really see to many open spots other than at C or RT and we tried to sign Doug Free to be our RT and Dallas apparently matched the offer so he stayed with his current team. Center is a need for sure and RT if Lee or Trueblood doesn't get better. A FA would not have made sense any other position at the moment. We have quality young depth at all other spots so save it with any BS response.


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#92 : August 02, 2011, 02:03:14 AM

Link???? Oh and who The F are you?? The team accountant??? If not STFU already with your uneducated nonsense. The Bucs have a team with Top 5-10 talent in the league and are getting excellent value for their payroll. If we were on Wall Street or Corporate America they would be praising the heck out of the team and everyone would want to buy stock. Just think about this for a minute, this team as it stands right now is gonna be damn hard to make. Their is excellent depth and competition at all positions with maybe OL being the weak link but they paid Davin and Penn huge $$$ and seem to believe in them and the young guys. New Coach and blocking scheme could be the difference?. If they bring in an outsider with GTD $$$ who gets left off the team??? I don't want to lose any of that young talent right now that is overflowing but unfortunately we can only keep 53 and I GUARANTEE you that other GM's will be all over our cuts and it will be hard for us to sneak guys onto the Practice squad this year. Get a grip people. If salaries and payroll were not made public and fans were only allowed to see the roster for the talent that is on it then NO ONE could complain because this is the most talented team top to bottom that has been here in 10 years at least.

Come on now, don't be silly.  When we spend 50 mil under the cap this season, that doesn't mean we get 50 mil added to our cap next year.  We just didn't spend the money.  There are lots of good players signing 1 and 2 year contracts (or longer with very low guaranteed money), who would have been upgrades on the field this season and off the books (or easily cut) when we need the money for our young guys.  NFL franchises generate more money then they cost to operate every season, even when teams are at the cap.  With the new agreement, it's going to get even a little better for the owners.  So it's not like ownership has to save money now to be able to float the team through lean times.  The money not being spent now will never be reinvested in the Buc franchise.  It's either going into the owners pockets or into another business venture. 

Also, this idea that the Bucs 53 is perfect right now and can't take any new players at the risk of future stars is ridiculous.  Who are our 5 backs?  Is Preston Parker (or Stroughter for that matter) such a star in the making that we can't find another player like him in any draft or any years free agent market?  Who are our 3rd and 4th ends, our 4th dt, our 5th cb.  There are 5-10 guys at the end of our roster that are never going to be anything better then NFL backups.  Not to mention guys like Jones, Graham, Faine who are not going to be long term players for the Bucs and could have been upgraded easily this off season.
The 5-10 guys at the end of the roster are the same for every team. You are not gonna go out and sign some FA to be a bottom 10 player on your team. The 1 or 2 year FA keeps players from developing who could be here for the long haul and then we never know what we had before it is time for them to be re-upped. You have to let these guys play. You sign FA to be starters and I don't really see to many open spots other than at C or RT and we tried to sign Doug Free to be our RT and Dallas apparently matched the offer so he stayed with his current team. Center is a need for sure and RT if Lee or Trueblood doesn't get better. A FA would not have made sense any other position at the moment. We have quality young depth at all other spots so save it with any BS response.
You don't always sing FA players to be starters.  Not in the new and improved idealism that is the BUcs.  Hell, Trueblood got benched for Lee for not playing up to par.  Carnell got dumped by a undrafted player with baggage.  And he was reported to be a lockerroom fave, a guy who busts his arse in the gym.  You sign FA guys to improve depth and to let them compete.  A good coach will say, well, we signed Nnamdi Asomugha, and frankly, EJ Biggers has completely outplayed him, so Biggers gets the nod, and Scrabble gets the nickel role.  That is a complete fantasy, of course, but that is also the ideal way to run a team.  It does appear to me, that Raheem Morris is good about that sort of thing.  He is a Darwinistic Coach, so to speak.  Play well, or be hunted.  And a FA signing is not going to hurt the development of a guy who is destined to ride buy splinter kits anyway.  If the guy is a below average player, the signing gets made to replace him to make the team better.  He can develop duringpractice, and during subs packages...and FWIW, cornerback is an issue on this team, IMO.  As well as your aforementioned spots.

Football is a rapid season.  Every game matters.  It is not a luxury to say, "Well, we lost this one, we got really beat badly, but we will get them next time."  that is not, ideally, how you run a team trying to win a Superbowl.

Win now, discuss development later.  Teams like the Pats do well with this philosophy, IMO.  You keep a stud player that is integral, around.  Say, a Josh Freeman.  Say, a premiere left tackle.  A powerful linebacker.  The rest are replaceable pieces on the chess board.  Free agency is not to be avoided at all costs.  That is absolutely stupid.  Dom avoided Free agency like he would get the herpes from it...we'll see how it pans out for him.  For us, I should say...


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#93 : August 02, 2011, 07:36:05 AM

Link???? Oh and who The F are you?? The team accountant??? If not STFU already with your uneducated nonsense. The Bucs have a team with Top 5-10 talent in the league and are getting excellent value for their payroll. If we were on Wall Street or Corporate America they would be praising the heck out of the team and everyone would want to buy stock. Just think about this for a minute, this team as it stands right now is gonna be damn hard to make. Their is excellent depth and competition at all positions with maybe OL being the weak link but they paid Davin and Penn huge $$$ and seem to believe in them and the young guys. New Coach and blocking scheme could be the difference?. If they bring in an outsider with GTD $$$ who gets left off the team??? I don't want to lose any of that young talent right now that is overflowing but unfortunately we can only keep 53 and I GUARANTEE you that other GM's will be all over our cuts and it will be hard for us to sneak guys onto the Practice squad this year. Get a grip people. If salaries and payroll were not made public and fans were only allowed to see the roster for the talent that is on it then NO ONE could complain because this is the most talented team top to bottom that has been here in 10 years at least.

Come on now, don't be silly.  When we spend 50 mil under the cap this season, that doesn't mean we get 50 mil added to our cap next year.  We just didn't spend the money.  There are lots of good players signing 1 and 2 year contracts (or longer with very low guaranteed money), who would have been upgrades on the field this season and off the books (or easily cut) when we need the money for our young guys.  NFL franchises generate more money then they cost to operate every season, even when teams are at the cap.  With the new agreement, it's going to get even a little better for the owners.  So it's not like ownership has to save money now to be able to float the team through lean times.  The money not being spent now will never be reinvested in the Buc franchise.  It's either going into the owners pockets or into another business venture. 

Also, this idea that the Bucs 53 is perfect right now and can't take any new players at the risk of future stars is ridiculous.  Who are our 5 backs?  Is Preston Parker (or Stroughter for that matter) such a star in the making that we can't find another player like him in any draft or any years free agent market?  Who are our 3rd and 4th ends, our 4th dt, our 5th cb.  There are 5-10 guys at the end of our roster that are never going to be anything better then NFL backups.  Not to mention guys like Jones, Graham, Faine who are not going to be long term players for the Bucs and could have been upgraded easily this off season.
The 5-10 guys at the end of the roster are the same for every team. You are not gonna go out and sign some FA to be a bottom 10 player on your team. The 1 or 2 year FA keeps players from developing who could be here for the long haul and then we never know what we had before it is time for them to be re-upped. You have to let these guys play. You sign FA to be starters and I don't really see to many open spots other than at C or RT and we tried to sign Doug Free to be our RT and Dallas apparently matched the offer so he stayed with his current team. Center is a need for sure and RT if Lee or Trueblood doesn't get better. A FA would not have made sense any other position at the moment. We have quality young depth at all other spots so save it with any BS response.
Umm - not so much.

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#94 : August 02, 2011, 07:48:12 AM

So please Bucs fans, dont try to win a Superbowl in 2011, it wont happen.

One of the most ridiculous things I have ever read on a sports message board.

We have Freeman and a solid offense. The D is a work in progress and should improve as the rook DEs get game experience.

And if things fall right for us, we can get to the playoffs. And once there, anything can happen. And this is assuming we don't add FAs. If we DO add a nice player here or there,
we have an even better chance to make a nice playoff run, IMO.

BTW, the Redskins don't win because they have yet to find their franchise QB.

SB is not likely but it's definitely a possibility this year and every year we have Free.

Haynesworth, Jason Taylor etc, McNabb

QB is an issue but the point is you can't just buy talent, plug and play and expect to win. It often does not work like that and it's a gamble to eat up cap room to do so.

Our plan is working perfectly through this point. A ton of young talent (reference ESPN young talent list), a great young HC, a great young GM and our FRANCHISE QB all in two years. I'd say lets just stay on track and see how things go. Everyone else in our division is scrambling hard to pick up people because they can see the obvious truth here. They are getting old and we are very young and getting better very quickly. Make no mistake the moves in the NFC south that have happened this year are because of our perceived improvement over the next 5 years.

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#95 : August 02, 2011, 08:16:22 AM

Link???? Oh and who The F are you?? The team accountant??? If not STFU already with your uneducated nonsense. The Bucs have a team with Top 5-10 talent in the league and are getting excellent value for their payroll. If we were on Wall Street or Corporate America they would be praising the heck out of the team and everyone would want to buy stock. Just think about this for a minute, this team as it stands right now is gonna be damn hard to make. Their is excellent depth and competition at all positions with maybe OL being the weak link but they paid Davin and Penn huge $$$ and seem to believe in them and the young guys. New Coach and blocking scheme could be the difference?. If they bring in an outsider with GTD $$$ who gets left off the team??? I don't want to lose any of that young talent right now that is overflowing but unfortunately we can only keep 53 and I GUARANTEE you that other GM's will be all over our cuts and it will be hard for us to sneak guys onto the Practice squad this year. Get a grip people. If salaries and payroll were not made public and fans were only allowed to see the roster for the talent that is on it then NO ONE could complain because this is the most talented team top to bottom that has been here in 10 years at least.

Come on now, don't be silly.  When we spend 50 mil under the cap this season, that doesn't mean we get 50 mil added to our cap next year.  We just didn't spend the money.  There are lots of good players signing 1 and 2 year contracts (or longer with very low guaranteed money), who would have been upgrades on the field this season and off the books (or easily cut) when we need the money for our young guys.  NFL franchises generate more money then they cost to operate every season, even when teams are at the cap.  With the new agreement, it's going to get even a little better for the owners.  So it's not like ownership has to save money now to be able to float the team through lean times.  The money not being spent now will never be reinvested in the Buc franchise.  It's either going into the owners pockets or into another business venture. 

Also, this idea that the Bucs 53 is perfect right now and can't take any new players at the risk of future stars is ridiculous.  Who are our 5 backs?  Is Preston Parker (or Stroughter for that matter) such a star in the making that we can't find another player like him in any draft or any years free agent market?  Who are our 3rd and 4th ends, our 4th dt, our 5th cb.  There are 5-10 guys at the end of our roster that are never going to be anything better then NFL backups.  Not to mention guys like Jones, Graham, Faine who are not going to be long term players for the Bucs and could have been upgraded easily this off season.
The 5-10 guys at the end of the roster are the same for every team. You are not gonna go out and sign some FA to be a bottom 10 player on your team. The 1 or 2 year FA keeps players from developing who could be here for the long haul and then we never know what we had before it is time for them to be re-upped. You have to let these guys play. You sign FA to be starters and I don't really see to many open spots other than at C or RT and we tried to sign Doug Free to be our RT and Dallas apparently matched the offer so he stayed with his current team. Center is a need for sure and RT if Lee or Trueblood doesn't get better. A FA would not have made sense any other position at the moment. We have quality young depth at all other spots so save it with any BS response.
Umm - not so much.
Where would you say besides OL that the quality young depth is lacking at this point?


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#96 : August 02, 2011, 08:16:46 AM

pwn, smart fans should know this is not intelligence on the Glazers part, they got lucky. The ownership doesn't care about winning here, they care about the ManU team winning. Sorry if you can't see that.

This is your opinion and yours only. What information do you have to back it up that the Glazers only care about Man U?

There is no luck in the NFL. Someone hired Morris in the first place and someone promoted him to HC. Luck had nothing to do with it. A coin flip is luck. Running a professional sports team is not.  Having and keeping enough money to run the Bucs and Man U is not luck either. Wake up, people may fall into money from daddy or the lotto but we've all heard the saying that a fool and his money quickly part ways.

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#97 : August 02, 2011, 08:23:17 AM

Never seen a town where so many people cared about spending someone else's money and having a breakdown over it. The bottom line is Wins and having a talented roster that can compete to go deep in the playoffs year in and year out. It's only year 3 of Rah/Dom and they haven't even played preseason game 1 yet and people are already jumping the skyway over money that is not theirs. The talent is top 5-10 in the NFL and no one can dispute that. The young depth got plenty of seasoning last season with all the injuries and performed well and will be better this season with experience plus all the new talent that is now here to go with it. It is gonna suck to cut some of these guys cause only 53 make it and our cuts are gonna be gold for other teams, believe that


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#98 : August 02, 2011, 08:23:25 AM

Understanding your 2011 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Written by Nick Houllis | 31 July 2011

I've scanned through the hundreds of comments on facebook and twitter over the last couple of days, and have come to the conclusion that we have the least educated fan base we have ever had at any point of our existence as Tampa Bay Buccaneers. This makes no sense because we live in an age of Twitter and Facebook and tons of internet sites, fan should be MORE educated, not LESS so.
http://bucstop.com/2011-articles/july/understanding-your-2011-tampa-bay-buccaneers.html
Hmmm - read this opening a few times now.  I think the author swung - and missed.  Now - if one wants to discuss a dearth of accurate reporters and wannabe reporters you can find validity. 

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#99 : August 02, 2011, 08:27:04 AM

Understanding your 2011 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Written by Nick Houllis | 31 July 2011

I've scanned through the hundreds of comments on facebook and twitter over the last couple of days, and have come to the conclusion that we have the least educated fan base we have ever had at any point of our existence as Tampa Bay Buccaneers. This makes no sense because we live in an age of Twitter and Facebook and tons of internet sites, fan should be MORE educated, not LESS so.
http://bucstop.com/2011-articles/july/understanding-your-2011-tampa-bay-buccaneers.html
Hmmm - read this opening a few times now.  I think the author swung - and missed.  Now - if one wants to discuss a dearth of accurate reporters and wannabe reporters you can find validity.
He did swing and miss because they do have what it takes to win this year. Depends how it comes together but the pieces are already here.


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#100 : August 02, 2011, 08:28:49 AM

Where would you say besides OL that the quality young depth is lacking at this point?
With OLine off the board (5 positions with a dearth of talent) - I would look at the Dbackfield.  Circumstances with Talib, Ronde's age... well I like Biggers, and Lewis - but that isn't enough so the the bucs will be hoping rookies step up.  I don't care for rookie DBs all that much - do you?  Bucs are short at LB - with nothing proven - but I have hopes for TMacKenzie, Foster and others to step up as well as benefitting from a better Dline.

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#101 : August 02, 2011, 08:30:41 AM

Understanding your 2011 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Written by Nick Houllis | 31 July 2011

I've scanned through the hundreds of comments on facebook and twitter over the last couple of days, and have come to the conclusion that we have the least educated fan base we have ever had at any point of our existence as Tampa Bay Buccaneers. This makes no sense because we live in an age of Twitter and Facebook and tons of internet sites, fan should be MORE educated, not LESS so.
http://bucstop.com/2011-articles/july/understanding-your-2011-tampa-bay-buccaneers.html
Hmmm - read this opening a few times now.  I think the author swung - and missed.  Now - if one wants to discuss a dearth of accurate reporters and wannabe reporters you can find validity.
He did swing and miss because they do have what it takes to win this year. Depends how it comes together but the pieces are already here.
That and I see more intelligent and interested fans on this site, some other sites I visit - and hear folks talking bucs around town.  Now everyone isn't brilliant like old Nick - but they aren't the least educated fan base ...

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#102 : August 02, 2011, 08:37:34 AM

Where would you say besides OL that the quality young depth is lacking at this point?
With OLine off the board (5 positions with a dearth of talent) - I would look at the Dbackfield.  Circumstances with Talib, Ronde's age... well I like Biggers, and Lewis - but that isn't enough so the the bucs will be hoping rookies step up.  I don't care for rookie DBs all that much - do you?  Bucs are short at LB - with nothing proven - but I have hopes for TMacKenzie, Foster and others to step up as well as benefitting from a better Dline.
Fair enough. I have high hopes for Bigger, Lewis, and Gaitor is gonna be another 7th rd steal imo. I watched the guy play in full college games and he can ball. I believe Talib doesn;t get suspended this year and they may already know that as well. If he does then it shows Morris confidence in the younger corners which I have to trust till I see the, play. Only Megatron really hurt our young guys last season and he is well, Megatron. I like the young group of LB's and believe with a guy like Tmac in there that Geno will step his game up all the time as well instead of following Ruud's soft play and not being physical sometimes. If Hayes doesn't then Foster, Watson, or Heyward can play the will and bring it.

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