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#15 : August 04, 2011, 09:21:10 AM


"You want them to do it (our way)," Dominik said. "When you go to the equipment room and we give you six pairs of socks, (we don't want to hear), 'The Colts give you eight.' I don't want to hear it. This is how we do it. This is how we lift (weights). This is how we practice.

"You want the team to understand so when the next class walks in (they understand, too)."

So if we sign a FA from another team and his previous team practiced at 8am and lifted weights before practice, he would kill our chemistry because he would demand that we do the same thing in Tampa? I rarely hear of a FA doing anything like that. I guess I should be surprise that Dom overpaid for Black and surely Joseph. He said from the beginning that he had a plan and he is definitely executing it. We will see how it turns out. Only way he has been able to justify not spending is that in the near future a lot of our young players will need new contracts. I think not getting FA will cost up because the teams that are doing it are young. GB, Eagles, Falcs, Saints we will have to compete with for at least another 3+ yrs. Dom can not tell me that there was no FA better than Ted Larsen? Why go after Doug Free if he will demand more "pairs of socks", than we would give him? I rather him just make one statement about FA and leave it alone because its looking like he knows he messed up. I believe the Bucs depend a lot on coaching, like they can coach up any player to be great. That wont happen often, although I do like the new Dline coaches.

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#16 : August 04, 2011, 09:35:23 AM


"When you go to the equipment room and we give you six pairs of socks, (we don't want to hear), 'The Colts give you eight.' I don't want to hear it."



That has to be the dumbest statement ever.    What are the Bucs doing?  Modeling their management after the Chinese government?    They don't want their players to know what is going on in the rest of the world in an attempt to control their own people?

Haha!  As much as I hate to justify your trolling with a response, I'll bite.

Why do you have to paint it as some sort of an anti-American plot that the Bucs want to have players that are fully invested in their system at all levels.  Why don't they want to hear "That's not how the Colts do it"?  Because it is a distraction to the team and a waste of time and energy.  Just because he used a stupid story about socks to illustrate the point is really...beside the point.

Are you modelling your approach after yellow journalism, Java?

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#17 : August 04, 2011, 09:38:39 AM

These threads are getting annoying. I keep reading them to see if anyone adds anything new, but it's the same stuff all over again. How many wins does this team need to get before people start backing out GM & Coach, 8? 10? 12?

I cannot wait for the season to start. We'll see how our team does & we'll see how our free agents do.

\"So a man who didn\'t spend enough money walked into a room beside a man who didn\'t find enough players, and together they tried to explain the firing of the man who didn\'t win enough games\"  ---Gary Shelton

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#18 : August 04, 2011, 09:40:25 AM


"You want them to do it (our way)," Dominik said. "When you go to the equipment room and we give you six pairs of socks, (we don't want to hear), 'The Colts give you eight.' I don't want to hear it. This is how we do it. This is how we lift (weights). This is how we practice.

"You want the team to understand so when the next class walks in (they understand, too)."

So if we sign a FA from another team and his previous team practiced at 8am and lifted weights before practice, he would kill our chemistry because he would demand that we do the same thing in Tampa? I rarely hear of a FA doing anything like that. I guess I should be surprise that Dom overpaid for Black and surely Joseph. He said from the beginning that he had a plan and he is definitely executing it. We will see how it turns out. Only way he has been able to justify not spending is that in the near future a lot of our young players will need new contracts. I think not getting FA will cost up because the teams that are doing it are young. GB, Eagles, Falcs, Saints we will have to compete with for at least another 3+ yrs. Dom can not tell me that there was no FA better than Ted Larsen? Why go after Doug Free if he will demand more "pairs of socks", than we would give him? I rather him just make one statement about FA and leave it alone because its looking like he knows he messed up. I believe the Bucs depend a lot on coaching, like they can coach up any player to be great. That wont happen often, although I do like the new Dline coaches.

The Haters said this same thing last year when TB signed Jones. Who knows what we have in the young Ted Larson he could be a top guard very soon but how would TB have known if they put some out of shape FA or pricey vet in the starting position.

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#19 : August 04, 2011, 09:54:38 AM

Dave Brown, Bob Barber, Walter White, Harold Evans, Brent Sexton, Marvin Crenshaw.
A high 5 for anyone who knows who they were and the significance as it relates to this thread.

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#20 : August 04, 2011, 09:58:45 AM

Our entire staff of coaches and scouts had the entire lock out to study and scrutinize every second of film on these guys and felt they were worth the contracts....but you know better? Ok. Sure buddy.

the argument against this statement is the most perplexing to me.

just because we dont understand something doesnt make it wrong.

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#21 : August 04, 2011, 10:02:17 AM

First six picks of the Steelers 1975 draft class....a bad draft considering 4 of their top 6 picks in 1974 are HOF.   So....where ya going with this one jersey?  :-)

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#22 : August 04, 2011, 10:08:26 AM

High five! Well done. The relevance is that the Steelers draft in '74 is widely considered the best ever. But the next year they did NADA, had a horrible draft.
So as it pertains to Dom, he's setting himself up to fail if he's going to go via the draft only. He got us Freeman. Then we had a bad year and an extra second and he hit homers all over the place. Then ANOTHER seemingly great draft this year. But it's very very tough to keep doing that. At some point you have to go outside a bit ... and I'm talking more than Sean Jones. The '70's Steelers were the last team to have all guys they drafted on a title team. It works in degrees.
Are we being too impatient? Maybe. But if we go 9-7 this year and we lose one or two games that a few FA additions might have won, then what did his approach gain?
At 9-7, you still don't have a great draft position. And missing the playoffs this year would hurt this group's confidence.
So I hope we get in whether the franchise itself thinks the Bucs are a contender or not. Big year.

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#23 : August 04, 2011, 10:10:43 AM

These guys are building a dynasty by creating a tradition of how things are done. Eliminating the need for patching holes with free agency, is part of the plan. Vincent and Jones filled holes at G and S. We drafted a punter who was the only draftee who didn't make the team. This year we stole our P/KO specialist away from the fowlgoons. If someone goes on IR Dominik will first look at the depth chart. That worked pretty well last year. The next step would be free agents. It would appear that we are confident in the roster we have right now. That's great, and I'm sure we have a backup plan for any situation that arises. I'm also sure that any moves that are made will be to fill a need, not just to make headlines on the NFLN.

This is certainly an improvement over the previous regime. Free agency was their highest priority.

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#24 : August 04, 2011, 10:11:37 AM

those steelers, where were there big time FA acquisitions?

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#25 : August 04, 2011, 10:16:56 AM

GameTime, you didn't read the whole post. First of all they didn't have free agency back then. But they were the LAST great team to win completely without trade, FA or any outside players.
The only flaw with your argument, Sparky, is that the offensive line was weak before and it's STILL weak. Guys like Larsen or Hardiman could be better if they play, but Trueblood or Joseph? No way. They are what they are. I would sincerely hope that OT would be one of our top three picks next year.

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#26 : August 04, 2011, 10:20:16 AM

Our entire staff of coaches and scouts had the entire lock out to study and scrutinize every second of film on these guys and felt they were worth the contracts....but you know better? Ok. Sure buddy.

the argument against this statement is the most perplexing to me.

just because we dont understand something doesnt make it wrong.
That's right.  To admit the truth I didn't understand why we would resign Micheal Clayton to a $25 million contract at the time but Dom assured us all they didn't need a #2 WR that got 60+ receptions a year because  Winslow and Antonio Byrant would be the main options.  We just needed a really good blocking WR.


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#27 : August 04, 2011, 10:29:38 AM

Well...the Steelers proceeded to have about 6 or 7  more very bad drafts in a row....all the while winning 4 superbowls in 6 years.    It wasn't until all those great players they had drafted prior to 1975 cycled out that the team crashed in the 80s and the subsequent bad drafts had impact.   So you have to assume that Dom is going to blow the draft for multiple years consecutively...there's nothing that suggests that he will suddenly become inept. 

This game is a crapshoot...whether you're talking about drafting or signing FAs, you really never know for sure who will work out.   Who would have guessed Kurt Warner goes from bagging groceries to the HoF? I'm guessing no one in St. Louis was celebrating that FA signing.   But the Redskins sure thought signing Fat Albert was their path to the playoffs.   It's a game involving humans, and injuries and emotion.

As for the argument that last season's record was a fluke because we beat the kitties twice and the NFC West....well the Falcons & the Saints played the same darn schedule...and if I'm not mistaken, the Bucs were the only team that beat everyone in the West.   We all played the same teams except for two....the Saints played the Cowboys/Vikings (both of whom were bad last year), the Falcons played the Eagles & the Packers (Eagles w/o Vick, Packers = good), and the Bucs played the Redskins (bad) and the Lions (pretty solid team by year end).    All we hear about is how easy our schedule was last year...but it was not that different from what the Saints & the Falcons played.   We had a couple games go our way on a play here or there...and we lost a couple on a play here or there (Falcons x2, Lions).    Occasionally there are truly great teams...and truly awful teams...but the reality is most teams are in the middle and games are won or lost on a few plays.   I don't look at our 2011 schedule and expect to get blown out by anyone...I believe that with good health & good execution we can compete with anyone.   And I'm not sure that I look at our roster of young guys and can pick out anyone that I want them to sit down so that a veteran FA can play...we have virtually the youngest team in the NFL....and the #1 rated young talent under 25....it's time to figure out if these kids are the future or not...and I can't wait to see them play.   For those that want to hate on the team (and Dom/Rah) for whatever reason...so be it.   I try not to engage in some of these debates over whether Dom is a good GM, or Raheem is a good coach...or whether certain players suck...because it's pointless.   Everyone is entitled to their own opinions...it would just be nice to see some of the 'veteran' haters on this board bring something new & fresh to the discussion on occasion instead of spewing out the same old talking points.    It gets stale seeing every thread hijacked.

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#28 : August 04, 2011, 10:37:12 AM

"It was our plan from Day 1, and we haven't veered from it," he said. "We knew right off the bat it wasn't popular. We're not there yet. We haven't made the playoffs yet. But we stayed the course, and we're going to stay the course. I feel energy from the fans, that they're excited about this football team. They're excited about these young guys and can't wait to go out and see the games. I'm the same way."


I love this team, and would cheer them even if Leeman Bennett was coaching Alvin Harper and Eric Curry.

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#29 : August 04, 2011, 10:37:48 AM

Our entire staff of coaches and scouts had the entire lock out to study and scrutinize every second of film on these guys and felt they were worth the contracts....but you know better? Ok. Sure buddy.

the argument against this statement is the most perplexing to me.

just because we dont understand something doesnt make it wrong.
That's right.  To admit the truth I didn't understand why we would resign Micheal Clayton to a $25 million contract at the time but Dom assured us all they didn't need a #2 WR that got 60+ receptions a year because  Winslow and Antonio Byrant would be the main options.  We just needed a really good blocking WR.

But they studied the tape on these guys and know that they worth the money because they fit on the team.  I don't see how they could be mistaken.  They are the professionals.

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