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#15 : September 09, 2011, 05:16:00 PM

DalBuc, I am appalled that you've summed up Ron Paul supporters as Anti-Semetic and conspiracy nuts.

Most of his supporters are in college, they don't even have the experience to hate someone because of their religion. I'm 23, i have never met anyone thats truly hates a whole races or religion. Ron Paul supporters are humanitarians and it goes against libertarian values to even judge someone by a characteristic.

You are the nutjob dude.  You have no idea about anything that RP stands for or the revolution of ideas. Dalbuc your so mislead. Please don't stereotype, your probably older and grew up with many stereotypes, but man, lay off, your as bad as Java.

And to the argument that Ron Paul is an isolationist... Since when is suggesting that maybe we shouldn't invade another country and take out their leadership isolationism?


What? College kids can't be bigots? There's a shocking bit of news, when does the "hate" gene kick in and start activating the potential for bigotry?

I'm well versed in Paul. He's not an unknown. Oh yes, I know about his little racist screed newsletters he put out back before he was running for office (blame the ghostwriter Ron, blame the ghostwriter! It must be a conspiracy), he hangs with the 911 Truthers (BSC alert), his Jon Birch Society worldview  and well his economics are so far off the reservation we won't even bother.

I get you like libertarians. They're groovy. Paul wraps all the nuts and stupid up inside of actually reasonable ideas but the thing is plenty of crazy people have "sane" ideas. I could get Obama to vote for at least 85% of Hitler's economic recovery plan for example.  Thing is Paul is no more a real libertarian than ted kennedy was. The actual Libertarians have disowned him and his cranky grandfather approach to things and his anti-capitalist and anti-corporate stands actually have more in common with 19thc anarcho-socialists than modern libertarians. He quotes Hayek but doesn't appear to really understand him in any meaningful way.

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#16 : September 09, 2011, 05:35:10 PM

I've met plenty of Paulistas and they all posses some  the following:

1. Anti-semites (see how many "Jewish" emblems fall on VA's sign picture as opposing Paul.
2. Conspiracy kooks - and pick the conspiracy and they're down with it

Sorry, they're flat out mental and it isn't so much Paul's positions many of which are fairly sane but the mentality of the man and his followers that is creepy. You aren't having policy debates but if you disagree you are some sort of manipulated idiot.

You know for an intelligent man you sometimes render some of the most absurd conclusions. As an example, based on some antidotal evidence and a stray illustration collected off the internet you conclude Ron Paul supporters are anti-semetic. 

First off, accusing someone of being anti-jew or as you say "anti-semetic" is pretty much akin to asking the question "Do you still beat your wife?" Playing the anti-semetic card in terms of debate is parallel to throwing out the nazi card. In other words you get desperate to use either of these then you really don't having anything to say based on logic. See; Godwin's Law.

There are many Jews (orthodox included) critical of Israeli politics. There are many non-Jews also critical of same that are in no way anti-Jew. Common sense would tell you there are Paul supporters amongst these groups. If you don't like Paul's politics that's one thing but throwing out this ridiculous anti-semite trash is just weak. But on this subject I don't think you are so much weak but more likely disingenuous.

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#17 : September 09, 2011, 11:36:06 PM

Libertarians are historically isolationists, but not necessarily xenophobic.


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#18 : September 10, 2011, 12:18:18 AM

Libertarians are not isolationists.

Xenophobia describes a personal or social characteristic not a political philosophy.

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#19 : September 11, 2011, 06:08:43 PM

Libertarians are not isolationists.

Xenophobia describes a personal or social characteristic not a political philosophy.

EXACTLY! I dont know where the hell people get these words from, mainly isolationist. They clearly dont know what the hell they are talking are talking about and need to look up the definition. Oh wait, I know where they get it from! Fox news and MSNBC! Talk about Sheeple. A country that you can match the word most closest to would be North Korea. Now that is an isolationist. There people are totally cut off from the outside world and vice versa. They dont trade, they're so elusive, North Korea does'nt even register on Google Maps. Again for you slower individuals, Now THAT is an isolationist. Something Ron Paul clearly is not.

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#20 : September 12, 2011, 05:38:35 PM


There are many Jews (orthodox included) critical of Israeli politics. There are many non-Jews also critical of same that are in no way anti-Jew. Common sense would tell you there are Paul supporters amongst these groups. If you don't like Paul's politics that's one thing but throwing out this ridiculous anti-semite trash is just weak. But on this subject I don't think you are so much weak but more likely disingenuous.


Right, it doesn't take a lot of brain power to see past the illusion of Paul's message. There are a lot of R's who are anti-busing, anti-affirmative action and so on who have legit rationales for those beliefs. David Duke rolled out as an R and had the same beliefs but not for the "right" reasons but because he was a bigot. Paul and way too many of his minions fall into the same group. There are a lot of legit gripes vs some of these states/organizations/companies but the clear pattern you see is that Jewish states, organizations, companies and such are the center of their world of conspiracies (they control our government as someone said earlier) while other far more bothersome groups don't draw as much hate (China is a terrible government and GE and their current leadership do a ton to manipulate policy but where are they in the Paulista world?). Are all Paulistas anti-semities...no. Is Paul, I'd say 100% but he's also a racist pig of a human so anti-Semitism is part and parcel of his gameplan.

...and spare me libertarians can't be racists crap. That makes no sense and tells me a lot of you juveniles don't even understand the concept of libertarians.

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#21 : September 12, 2011, 06:16:29 PM


There are many Jews (orthodox included) critical of Israeli politics. There are many non-Jews also critical of same that are in no way anti-Jew. Common sense would tell you there are Paul supporters amongst these groups. If you don't like Paul's politics that's one thing but throwing out this ridiculous anti-semite trash is just weak. But on this subject I don't think you are so much weak but more likely disingenuous.


Right, it doesn't take a lot of brain power to see past the illusion of Paul's message. There are a lot of R's who are anti-busing, anti-affirmative action and so on who have legit rationales for those beliefs. David Duke rolled out as an R and had the same beliefs but not for the "right" reasons but because he was a bigot. Paul and way too many of his minions fall into the same group. There are a lot of legit gripes vs some of these states/organizations/companies but the clear pattern you see is that Jewish states, organizations, companies and such are the center of their world of conspiracies (they control our government as someone said earlier) while other far more bothersome groups don't draw as much hate (China is a terrible government and GE and their current leadership do a ton to manipulate policy but where are they in the Paulista world?). Are all Paulistas anti-semities...no. Is Paul, I'd say 100% but he's also a racist pig of a human so anti-Semitism is part and parcel of his gameplan.

...and spare me libertarians can't be racists crap. That makes no sense and tells me a lot of you juveniles don't even understand the concept of libertarians.

Yeah, you've pretty much lost all credibility and its people like you that are destroying this Country. That's all I have to say.....

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#22 : September 12, 2011, 10:09:28 PM


There are many Jews (orthodox included) critical of Israeli politics. There are many non-Jews also critical of same that are in no way anti-Jew. Common sense would tell you there are Paul supporters amongst these groups. If you don't like Paul's politics that's one thing but throwing out this ridiculous anti-semite trash is just weak. But on this subject I don't think you are so much weak but more likely disingenuous.


Right, it doesn't take a lot of brain power to see past the illusion of Paul's message. There are a lot of R's who are anti-busing, anti-affirmative action and so on who have legit rationales for those beliefs. David Duke rolled out as an R and had the same beliefs but not for the "right" reasons but because he was a bigot. Paul and way too many of his minions fall into the same group. There are a lot of legit gripes vs some of these states/organizations/companies but the clear pattern you see is that Jewish states, organizations, companies and such are the center of their world of conspiracies (they control our government as someone said earlier) while other far more bothersome groups don't draw as much hate (China is a terrible government and GE and their current leadership do a ton to manipulate policy but where are they in the Paulista world?). Are all Paulistas anti-semities...no. Is Paul, I'd say 100% but he's also a racist pig of a human so anti-Semitism is part and parcel of his gameplan.


Okay, got it, your "proof" boils down to your ability "to see past the illusion" 

Frankly,  I've heard Big-Foot believers w/ more convincing arguments.

Seriously, for a guy that is big on substantiation the fact you haven't posted anything backing your claim sticks out like a sore thumb.

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#23 : September 12, 2011, 11:05:54 PM

Okay, got it, your "proof" boils down to your ability "to see past the illusion" 

Frankly,  I've heard Big-Foot believers w/ more convincing arguments.

Seriously, for a guy that is big on substantiation the fact you haven't posted anything backing your claim sticks out like a sore thumb.

Well if you want to question the theory go run a nice search for Ron Paul and racist and see his long history. Beyond that if you've got issues with critical thinking then maybe you need to step down in weight class because if all the "bad guys" in Paul's world are Jewish (or most of them even the Nazis tossed in a  few gypsies and homosexuals) then maybe you have a problem with Jews.

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#24 : September 12, 2011, 11:20:52 PM

dalbuc, damn man... people like you are the reason this country is in decline.  Your a drain on us... damn, talk about demagoguery ....

so ill-informed...


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#25 : September 12, 2011, 11:46:11 PM

Are all Paul's supporters as misguided as you are? 

Pretty much.

The worst thing about Ron Paul after his Foreign Policy statements are his cultists.

For me, his Foreign Policy is his best thing ... but still has a little too much holy roller in him for my tastes, although he is the tallest midget in that regards in comparison to the other non-Romney candidates ...

I agree CK, although the Christian stuff isn't really a big issue for me with Paul. The issue for me is the economic stuff. I don't think Paul is a whack job at all until he gets to talking about monetary policy.


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#26 : September 12, 2011, 11:53:36 PM


There are many Jews (orthodox included) critical of Israeli politics. There are many non-Jews also critical of same that are in no way anti-Jew. Common sense would tell you there are Paul supporters amongst these groups. If you don't like Paul's politics that's one thing but throwing out this ridiculous anti-semite trash is just weak. But on this subject I don't think you are so much weak but more likely disingenuous.


Right, it doesn't take a lot of brain power to see past the illusion of Paul's message. There are a lot of R's who are anti-busing, anti-affirmative action and so on who have legit rationales for those beliefs. David Duke rolled out as an R and had the same beliefs but not for the "right" reasons but because he was a bigot. Paul and way too many of his minions fall into the same group. There are a lot of legit gripes vs some of these states/organizations/companies but the clear pattern you see is that Jewish states, organizations, companies and such are the center of their world of conspiracies (they control our government as someone said earlier) while other far more bothersome groups don't draw as much hate (China is a terrible government and GE and their current leadership do a ton to manipulate policy but where are they in the Paulista world?). Are all Paulistas anti-semities...no. Is Paul, I'd say 100% but he's also a racist pig of a human so anti-Semitism is part and parcel of his gameplan.

...and spare me libertarians can't be racists crap. That makes no sense and tells me a lot of you juveniles don't even understand the concept of libertarians.

a bunch of anti-Semites and bigots here!!






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#27 : September 12, 2011, 11:59:08 PM

dalbuc, damn man... people like you are the reason this country is in decline.  Your a drain on us... damn, talk about demagoguery ....

so ill-informed...

No, calling a racist a racist isn't the problem. I said it about David Duke and voted against him and plenty of R's got all mad. The problem is Paul and his minions. I know plenty of libertarian voters - ina  world where they poll at 1% they do about 10% in my district. They're mostly normal people who believe in limited government and individual rights. Paul's backers aren't libertarian voters - they're to a large degree conspiracy nuts and bigots.

 Sorry, there's a lot of good that libertarians can do but they will never do it while kook Paul is the face most associated (incorrectly) with libertarianism because of his focus on conspiracies, dead economic theories, left-populist trade views,  his unpleasant racial problems and his decidely unlibertarian Xian stands.

I'm done with this. Paul is a terrible human being, an embarassment to libertarian ideals and he's an even worse candidate. Dear god you want to vote libertarian go vote for the actual libertarians. You like him that's your problem and burden to try and sleep with.

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#28 : September 13, 2011, 12:27:01 AM

Okay, got it, your "proof" boils down to your ability "to see past the illusion" 

Frankly,  I've heard Big-Foot believers w/ more convincing arguments.

Seriously, for a guy that is big on substantiation the fact you haven't posted anything backing your claim sticks out like a sore thumb.

Well if you want to question the theory go run a nice search for Ron Paul and racist and see his long history. Beyond that if you've got issues with critical thinking then maybe you need to step down in weight class because if all the "bad guys" in Paul's world are Jewish (or most of them even the Nazis tossed in a  few gypsies and homosexuals) then maybe you have a problem with Jews.


That is so pitiful.
i actually feel bad for your sorry ass. 

You painted yourself in a corner w/  lies and the only way you can try to get out of this is to start pointing the dirty end of the stick at anyone else. You have been exposed as a fraud and now you are in full meltdown mode.


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#29 : September 13, 2011, 02:18:54 AM

Are all Paul's supporters as misguided as you are? 

Pretty much.

The worst thing about Ron Paul after his Foreign Policy statements are his cultists.

For me, his Foreign Policy is his best thing ... but still has a little too much holy roller in him for my tastes, although he is the tallest midget in that regards in comparison to the other non-Romney candidates ...

I agree CK, although the Christian stuff isn't really a big issue for me with Paul. The issue for me is the economic stuff. I don't think Paul is a whack job at all until he gets to talking about monetary policy.
What about his monetary policy makes Ron Paul a "whack job?"

Is wanting sound money "wacky?" Is wanting the restoration of Constitutionally required money "wacky?" Is the removal of a private corporation's (The Fed) control of our money "wacky?" Is the reduction of inflation and the return of a strong economy "wacky?" Is the strengthening of our current currency "wacky?"

Ron Paul is the most erudite among his peers regarding economics and monetary policy. The man has accurately predicted, for the last 30 years, the direction of our economy. This he has done while so called expert mainstream Keynesian Economists' predictions have fallen short every single time (to be clear, Keynesian Economists are those that have been running the Fed for decades).

Ron Paul has been gathering supporters for the last several years because he is the only candidate that has clear, workable solutions for the ills of this country. He has been denigrated and ignored by the mainstream media, politicians and economists because he is a threat to their power. Paul is not interested in power and that scares the hell out everyone who has a vested interest in the status quo.

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