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#120 : November 12, 2011, 01:07:55 AM

Biggs, it is a global movement.  The sooner you accept this truth, the sooner you can start to understand.

All over the globe, people are shooting each other in food lines at mega corp Starbucks to protest the mega-corps, just as long as the mega corps take their money and give them their food and no one cuts in line, that is.

Get with the program

Didn't the topic of a large number of the "starve the beast" Tea party crowd being recipients of Social Security and Medicare get brought up at an earlier time? Pot calling the kettle, and such.
: November 12, 2011, 01:10:56 AM CBWx2


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#121 : November 12, 2011, 10:50:41 AM

Biggs, it is a global movement.  The sooner you accept this truth, the sooner you can start to understand.

All over the globe, people are shooting each other in food lines at mega corp Starbucks to protest the mega-corps, just as long as the mega corps take their money and give them their food and no one cuts in line, that is.

Get with the program

Didn't the topic of a large number of the "starve the beast" Tea party crowd being recipients of Social Security and Medicare get brought up at an earlier time? Pot calling the kettle, and such.


No, that was purely a sarcastic jab at ADW's blathering post.


As far as TP vs OWS, the Tea Party rallies were all pretty similar, whereas the OWS are quite diverse. In some cities they seem fairly focused on certain issues, in other cities it is a little more disorganized, in others it is chaotic, and in Oakland it is more of a rioting mob. Part of that is the duration of the rallies. The TP rallies were all 1 or 2 day affairs with a set time table, planned speakers and events, and a specific end time, whereas the OWS just keeps going and going. Because of the very long duration, a lot more "bad elements" can slip in.


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#122 : November 17, 2011, 02:19:16 PM

OWS is losing support in the polls.

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Occupy Wall Street Favor Fading

The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement's support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street's goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.

Voters don't care for the Tea Party either, with 42% saying they support its goals to 45% opposed.  But asked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37, representing a flip from last month when Occupy Wall Street won out 40-37 on that question. Again the movement with independents is notable- from preferring Occupy Wall Street 43-34, to siding with the Tea Party 44-40.

I don't think the bad poll numbers for Occupy Wall Street reflect Americans being unconcerned with wealth inequality.  Polling we did in some key swing states earlier this year found overwhelming support for raising taxes on people who make over $150,000 a year. In late September we found that 73% of voters supported the 'Buffett rule' with only 16% opposed.  And in October we found that Senators resistant to raising taxes on those who make more than a million dollars a year could pay a price at the polls. I don't think any of that has changed- what the downturn in Occupy Wall Street's image suggests is that voters are seeing the movement as more about the 'Occupy' than the 'Wall Street.'  The controversy over the protests is starting to drown out the actual message.

Voters continue to be very unhappy with the new majority in the House.  Only 37% of voters think the Republicans have been an upgrade from when the Democrats were in charge, to 41% who believe they've been worse. Among independent voters, whose overwhelming support fueled the new GOP majorities, 26% think the Republicans have been an improvement to 37% who believe they've made things worse. That unhappiness extends to John Boehner's personal poll numbers as well- just 30% of voters approve of the job he's doing to 46% who disapprove.  That -16 spread is a whole lot worse than the -6 we find for Obama's approval, but you don't see the Speaker being described as unpopular whenever you read about him the way you do the President.

As unpopular as the House Republicans are we find a tie in the generic Congressional ballot with 45% of voters favoring a Democratic candidate and 45% going for a Republican.  That's because Congressional Democrats, with a 28/63 approval spread, are almost as unpopular as their GOP counterparts.  They've succeeded in poisoning public opinion about the new Republican majority, but they haven't necessarily done anything to make voters see them as a palatable alternative.  That will be the challenge for House Democrats in the next year.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-favor-fading.html

Full poll results with cross-tabs (nice) http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_US_11161023.pdf

I still think the OWS biggest problem is they still haven't clearly stated a purpose and a platform. The criminal element gets more news than their goals, which are still very foggy and unclear.

The Tea Party is also losing ground. But because they hitched too many wagons to crappy false-promise politicians (Boehner, Bachman, Cain, etc.)

OWS needs to do some serious damage control and get their act together or they will continue to be viewed as more hooligan than instrument of change.

The Tea Party can salvage itself by calling out those Rs that ran on TP ideals and failed to deliver. They need to disavow Boehner and the other "Compromisers" and make it clear that false promises won't be accepted.


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#123 : November 19, 2011, 11:08:15 AM

The Tea Party may be losing coverage but I believe it is still the sleeping giant and will awaken again when the bombs start to drop come the next election. 

\"The budget should be balanced; the treasury should be refilled; public debt should be reduced; and the arrogance of public officials should be controlled.\" -Cicero. 106-43 B.C.

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#124 : November 19, 2011, 11:48:29 AM

I would have a much better feeling about the Tea Party if they called out some Rs for not following through. Calling out Ds doesn't mean much as they are perceived as an R dominated group, but calling out their own shows that they are serious and it isn't just lip service.

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