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Quote from: alldaway on October 25, 2011, 02:34:49 PMYou laugh at the OWS people John Galt? because the Tea Party failed to gain such notoriety or support. There is a reason why the Libertarian utopia is rejected by any sane person.The OWS people only have notoriety because they're media friendly - they sit in one place stinking up the joint so cameras can find them- plus they are selling a story the media likes to tell. The Tea Party people have actual jobs and it makes it hard for them to be photogenic. The difference is that the OWS people are doing nothing to change the national dialog - soaking the rich was already Obama's campaign slogan before OWS and the idea that bailouts suck was taken by the Tea Party a long time ago. Plus, in total the number of morons sitting occupying diddly is microscopic in the end.BTW, I assume the cat in the video isn't a Russian because the accent sounds really fake and the old woman who think NK is ok is obviously crazier than a loon.
You laugh at the OWS people John Galt? because the Tea Party failed to gain such notoriety or support. There is a reason why the Libertarian utopia is rejected by any sane person.
Not a chance in hell that's a real Russian accent.
All the Tea Party rallies I've seen have had the same message and theme- less Govt. spending, less taxes, less Govt. interference.-pretty much smaller government in general.The OWS folks, I can't figure out what they want. Some are griping that big banks got bailed out and they didn't (did they want no bailouts or did they want the "free money" the banks got?"). Others are complaining that Wall Street is not giving them jobs (usually the pierced and tattooed freaks wearing no shirts-did you look like that when you applied for the Wall Street job?). Others like the vid. are ranting about Socialism???Seems like they just want change, they don't know what kind of change, or how that change should be enacted just change- brother can ya spare some change
Quote from: alldaway on October 25, 2011, 02:34:49 PMYou laugh at the OWS people John Galt? because the Tea Party failed to gain such notoriety or support.No I laugh at them because they are ignorant and dumb, same reason I laughed at "The Waterboy".The reason they get notoriety is they have been down there for 2 straight weeks. All the Tea Party events were one day affairs usually on the weekends, because Tea Partiers have to work.As far as support, I believe the Tea Party has already gotten far more support than this rabble. Many GOP candidates embraced the Tea Party and it did effect the last mid-term election. I don't see any candidates embracing these people (maybe if they showered they'd be more embracable).I can't take these folks seriously because they are protesting against nothing in particular. They have no clear platform or agenda other than to camp out in the streets and make funny hand gestures.What is their platform? what is on their agenda? what are their goals? Other than stinking up the place and interfering with those who have jobs, that is.Quote from: alldaway on October 25, 2011, 02:34:49 PM There is a reason why the Libertarian utopia is rejected by any sane person.What Libertarian Utopia?? Libertarianism is by definition non-Utopian. Libertarianism is belief in freedom to purse success or failure without Govt. intervention. Libertarianism accepts failure is part of life, that is non-Utopian. It is the pursuit of the optimal, not the ideal.
You laugh at the OWS people John Galt? because the Tea Party failed to gain such notoriety or support.
There is a reason why the Libertarian utopia is rejected by any sane person.
What does it say about people who have the spare time to 'camp out' for 2+ weeks or more?
Oakland's children and elderly having to evade tear gas canisters are definitely "losers" according to some who can't handle reality that our own citizens are being attacked with excessive force.
Tuesday's pre-dawn sweep of the Occupy Oakland encampment, which resulted in about 80 arrests, came after the diverse community of protesters refused to allow police and fire officials -- as well as at least two ambulance crews -- access to the area to provide services, city officials said. Oakland had issued repeated warnings to the campers over the last week, citing an increase in public urination and defecation, rats and fire hazards from cooking. The greatest concern, however, stemmed from violence.When the camp took shape Oct. 10, things were relatively harmonious: City officials, including Mayor Jean Quan, asserted their support for the protesters’ free-speech rights and the movement's values. A children's "village" was set up, along with a kitchen and "school" in which to conduct workshops.Homeless individuals and families who had been living in the area were embraced by the makeshift community and became a part of it.On Oct. 17, the first sexual assault was reported. But camp leaders declined to allow police and fire officials to conduct patrols.By the following day, city officials said in a statement, "We began to receive numerous complaints of threatening, intimidating behavior…. public health and safety requirements were being ignored." More sexual offenses, fighting and public drunkenness were reported. Officials also said one resident of the encampment had been severely beaten.On Friday, Oakland demanded that protesters cease overnight camping. After a brief warning before Tuesday’s raid, about 30 of the 350 people present left voluntarily, officials said.Those who helped build the encampment were distressed by the decision to tear it down, noting that tensions were being resolved internally and had led to uncommonly frank conversations about class, race, and gender during repeated public assemblies and committee meetings."There were internal problems, but we were working it out," said Kerie Campbell, 46, who co-founded the children's village and had set up a similar tent filled with donated toys, clothes and snacks at an ancillary encampment near Lake Merritt that also was raided Tuesday.The children's tent at the main plaza was ripped apart by police, said Campbell, who has spent her days at the encampment but slept at home with her children."It's a blatant violation of our 1st Amendment rights," Campbell said of the raid as she sat with a sign calling for Quan’s recall. "This is going to make the movement pull together. It was a bad mistake. We'll go somewhere else. There are plenty of parks in Oakland."Indeed, the Occupy Oakland movement put out a call for participants to meet near downtown this afternoon to plan future steps.Over the weekend, Green Party members had helped organize a group of protesters who hoped to sit down to discuss their concerns with Quan. Among those named to the committee was Chino Marti, 28, who has spent his days at the camp and says he has "completely lost faith" in the mayor."The city says it's supportive of free speech and of us taking ownership of public spaces, but they obviously have no intention of supporting us if they're going to come down on us with cops," Marti said.Quan was in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday. But she issued a statement after the raid, noting that although "many Oaklanders support the goals of the national Occupy Wall Street movement ... over the last week it was apparent that neither the demonstrators nor the City could maintain safe or sanitary conditions, or control the ongoing vandalism."The plaza, she said, will "continue to be open as a free speech area from 6 am to 10 pm as soon as practical."