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#15 : November 07, 2011, 09:17:43 PM

The Buccaneers signed Free Agents to the second highest amount (to only the Eagles) of total contracts in the NFL this offseason.  It's not their fault that money wasn't spent very wisely.

Not really good with the monetary part of the NFL, but how is guaranteed money/signing bonuses factored into that?

Of the $101M contracts for Joseph, Koenan, and Black, $37M was guaranteed.  I don't know where that sits compared to the rest of the league, but I'm guessing it's pretty high.

Comparing that to the biggest FA spender, the Eagles guaranteed money to their FA's (Aso, Babin, Young, Brown, Smith) is around $35M.  That doesn't include Cullen Jenkins because I can't find an accurate number for his guarantees, but I'd guess around $8M-$10M for him.  So the Bucs aren't far off, if at all, with the rest of the league.


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#16 : November 07, 2011, 09:55:24 PM

That makes them cheap AND dumber than a box of rocks.

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#17 : November 08, 2011, 11:50:30 AM

That makes them cheap AND dumber than a box of rocks.

Smart enough to fool some fans to misdiagnose the problem.

Investing in their PR firm from DC was their wisest decision, as they continue to elude accountability for their mess.

Open your eyes Buc fans....





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#18 : November 08, 2011, 12:39:25 PM

That makes them cheap

Do you come up for air or do you have a straw that gets oxygen to your head buried beneath the sand?



That makes them cheap AND dumber than a box of rocks.

Smart enough to fool some fans to misdiagnose the problem.

Investing in their PR firm from DC was their wisest decision, as they continue to elude accountability for their mess.

Open your eyes Buc fans....

Good call.  They are smart enough to sign the second highest amount in Free Agent contracts this offseason to give more evidence of their cheapness.  Brilliant.


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#19 : November 08, 2011, 01:14:15 PM

Amazing that people still cling to the "cheap" thing


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#20 : November 08, 2011, 01:23:14 PM

That makes them cheap

Do you come up for air or do you have a straw that gets oxygen to your head buried beneath the sand?



That makes them cheap AND dumber than a box of rocks.

Smart enough to fool some fans to misdiagnose the problem.

Investing in their PR firm from DC was their wisest decision, as they continue to elude accountability for their mess.

Open your eyes Buc fans....

Good call.  They are smart enough to sign the second highest amount in Free Agent contracts this offseason to give more evidence of their cheapness.  Brilliant.

LOL at the Glazers spending so much, we are still 31 in the league against the cap. If we did not spend as much as we did we would be so far below the cap SOMEONE in the NFL would have complained.

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#21 : November 08, 2011, 02:00:05 PM

LOL at the Glazers spending so much, we are still 31 in the league against the cap. If we did not spend as much as we did we would be so far below the cap SOMEONE in the NFL would have complained.

Somebody might have complained?  Oh the horror...

If the Bucs had taken the $115M worth of contracts for Joseph, Trueblood, Koenan, Black, and Barber and signed Johnathan Joseph, Marshall Yanda, Stephen Tulloch, and Doug Free - would the simpletons still be screaming "cheap"?  Probably not, because we're dealing with simpletons here.


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#22 : November 08, 2011, 02:05:25 PM

Yeah I'm a simpleton. Team A has players signed to $100M worth of contracts. Team B has players signed to $30M worth of contracts. Team A signs another $10M worth of contracts. Team B signs about $50M worth of contracts. Look, look, we're not cheap, we signed MORE than Team A, how can we be cheap?
Nice little spinny-poo. Cheap is cheap. They didn't give their BEST. The best team we COULD have on the field isn't there.

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#23 : November 08, 2011, 02:23:23 PM

Nice little spinny-poo. Cheap is cheap.

Spin?  It's reality.  Why is it people on this board call actual facts "spin" or "fabrications" when those facts don't back up their warped perceptions?



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#24 : November 08, 2011, 02:31:41 PM

Yeah I'm a simpleton. Team A has players signed to $100M worth of contracts. Team B has players signed to $30M worth of contracts. Team A signs another $10M worth of contracts. Team B signs about $50M worth of contracts. Look, look, we're not cheap, we signed MORE than Team A, how can we be cheap?
Nice little spinny-poo. Cheap is cheap. They didn't give their BEST. The best team we COULD have on the field isn't there.

Maybe stating the obvious, but you are mixing concepts.  You are complaining that the Bucs did not spend money the way you want them to.  That is not the same as being cheap.  The team cannot, on the one hand, be cheap, while on the other hand, "overpaying" for Black and Joseph etc. The two are internally consistent. You just don't buy into the plan, which is your perogative, but that does not add up to "cheap"


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#25 : November 08, 2011, 02:38:55 PM

TOTAL MONEY SPENT is insufficient. How's that? They didn't spend enough, didn't put enough effort in AND, on top of that, spent foolishly when they did spend. Clear enough?

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#26 : November 08, 2011, 02:40:52 PM

You guys are crazy. So if one team has 10 high-priced guys and we have none, but then go out and sign ONE, now we're not cheap? That's a SPIN. That's lunacy.
By your crazy definition, any player signed beyond the league minimum can be construed as a high-priced deal and proof the Glazers aren't cheap.
Wow.

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#27 : November 08, 2011, 02:44:42 PM

The biggest misconception when talking about the Bucs' payroll is that more money would make the team better. The problem with that is most of the Bucs' best players are their least expensive and their worst players are the highest paid. So you're not going to replace all the Bucs' cheap players and get better. LeGarrette Blount is the best RB by far and he's making under $1M. Most of the time Mike Williams is the best WR and he's making under $1M. Some people think Jeremy Zuttah is the best OL and he's making under $1M. Adrian Clayborn and Michael Bennett are the most consistent DL and they're making under $2M. At $6M Freeman is making half what most QB's make.

Then you have a bottom 5 RT making $5M, a JAG RG making over $8, a part time C making $6M, a JAG TE making $6M, a part time DT making $10M, and the worst OLB in the NFL making $6M.

As Biggs has been saying, the Bucs' problem is they're not spending money wisely.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#28 : November 08, 2011, 02:44:44 PM

I don't mind if the team doesn't sign big name free agents...but avoid re-signing established trash like Black and Clayton.  Lets hope Joseph pans out....

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#29 : November 08, 2011, 02:52:22 PM

FRG, you're drawing the wrong conclusion. Being lower paid doesn't automatically make you better just as being higher paid doesn't. The Bucs needed to get the right guys in here no matter what it took. They were in position to do that and didn't want to OR didn't convince the players well enough OR were convinced that what they had was better. You cannot deny that were players out there who would have made this team better.

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