Raheem is fine

[Skull and Bones]

if you want to keep Morris another year then you should be willing to keep Olson another year as well.  you can apply all the same lame ass excuses toward him as well.  Plus he's Raheem's chosen OC.

[alldaway]

take a look at Bellichecks track record..when he first started..just as bad as Rahs...and look at Bellicheck now the best coach in the league and possibly the best coach ever..be patient with Morris and he might just come around...we should stick with him by any means and grow with him
 
Year     Age     Tm     Lg     G     W     L     T     W-L%     G plyf     W plyf     L plyf     W-L%     Rank     Notes
1991    39    Cleveland Browns    NFL    16    6    10    0    .375                3    
1992    40    Cleveland Browns    NFL    16    7    9    0    .438                3    
1993    41    Cleveland Browns    NFL    16    7    9    0    .438                3    
1994    42    Cleveland Browns    NFL    16    11    5    0    .688    2    1    1    .500    2    
1995    43    Cleveland Browns    NFL    16    5    11    0    .313                4    
2000    48    New England Patriots    NFL    16    5    11    0    .313                5    
2001    49    New England Patriots    NFL    16    11    5    0    .688    3    3    0    1.000    1    Super Bowl Champions
2002    50    New England Patriots    NFL    16    9    7    0    .563                1    
2003    51    New England Patriots    NFL    16    14    2    0    .875    3    3    0    1.000    1    Super Bowl Champions
2004    52    New England Patriots    NFL    16    14    2    0    .875    3    3    0    1.000    1    Super Bowl Champions
2005    53    New England Patriots    NFL    16    10    6    0    .625    2    1    1    .500    1    
2006    54    New England Patriots    NFL    16    12    4    0    .750    3    2    1    .667    1    
2007    55    New England Patriots    NFL    16    16    0    0    1.000    3    2    1    .667    1    AFC Champions
2008    56    New England Patriots    NFL    16    11    5    0    .688                1    
2009    57    New England Patriots    NFL    16    10    6    0    .625    1    0    1    .000    1    
2010    58    New England Patriots    NFL    16    14    2    0    .875    1    0    1    .000    1    
2011    59    New England Patriots    NFL    10    7    3    0    .700                1

For a young pup you do shine through with wisdom and proof to make your arguments.

[xBuCsX_4_XeVax]

take a look at Bellichecks track record..when he first started..just as bad as Rahs...and look at Bellicheck now the best coach in the league and possibly the best coach ever..be patient with Morris and he might just come around...we should stick with him by any means and grow with him
 
Year     Age     Tm     Lg     G     W     L     T     W-L%     G plyf     W plyf     L plyf     W-L%     Rank     Notes
1991    39    Cleveland Browns    NFL    16    6    10    0    .375                3    
1992    40    Cleveland Browns    NFL    16    7    9    0    .438                3    
1993    41    Cleveland Browns    NFL    16    7    9    0    .438                3    
1994    42    Cleveland Browns    NFL    16    11    5    0    .688    2    1    1    .500    2    
1995    43    Cleveland Browns    NFL    16    5    11    0    .313                4    
2000    48    New England Patriots    NFL    16    5    11    0    .313                5    
2001    49    New England Patriots    NFL    16    11    5    0    .688    3    3    0    1.000    1    Super Bowl Champions
2002    50    New England Patriots    NFL    16    9    7    0    .563                1    
2003    51    New England Patriots    NFL    16    14    2    0    .875    3    3    0    1.000    1    Super Bowl Champions
2004    52    New England Patriots    NFL    16    14    2    0    .875    3    3    0    1.000    1    Super Bowl Champions
2005    53    New England Patriots    NFL    16    10    6    0    .625    2    1    1    .500    1    
2006    54    New England Patriots    NFL    16    12    4    0    .750    3    2    1    .667    1    
2007    55    New England Patriots    NFL    16    16    0    0    1.000    3    2    1    .667    1    AFC Champions
2008    56    New England Patriots    NFL    16    11    5    0    .688                1    
2009    57    New England Patriots    NFL    16    10    6    0    .625    1    0    1    .000    1    
2010    58    New England Patriots    NFL    16    14    2    0    .875    1    0    1    .000    1    
2011    59    New England Patriots    NFL    10    7    3    0    .700                1

For a young pup you do shine through with wisdom and proof to make your arguments.

i try ...but others think i should of compared Morris to the lights of Singletary  instead..if  i did that then there wouldn't a point in opening this thread

[Bucpride5]

How did Belichik's defenses rank in his first stint? I doubt anywhere near as poor as Raheem's.

[tonto]

How did Belichik's defenses rank in his first stint? I doubt anywhere near as poor as Raheem's.

You are correct.
Belichik's first stint defensive ranking average was 12.4

Raheem's counting this year as a full year is 21.6

[alldaway]

BB walked into a talented Cleveland defense.  What stalled the Browns at the time was the rise of the Steelers with Cowher. 

[Bucpride5]

BB walked into a talented Cleveland defense.  What stalled the Browns at the time was the rise of the Steelers with Cowher.

2 games a year stalled the Browns continuing rebuilding...


I don't buy it.

[Feel Real Good]

BB walked into a talented Cleveland defense.  What stalled the Browns at the time was the rise of the Steelers with Cowher.

That and moving the team to Baltimore.

[Skull and Bones]

I thought is was the short comings of Bernie Kosar

[CBWx2]

Denver should have let Josh McDaniel to continue to coach in order to learn on the job while the Broncos fans patiently watched his teams suck (sound familiar?).

Denver fired McDaniels mostly because of the personnel decisions he made. He inherited a team with a pretty decent amount of talent on it that was favored by many to win their division and gutted it. And Singletary was fired because he also inherited a team that was also favored to win their division and underachieved with it. Raheem Morris inherited arguably the 4th best team in their division that nobody was picking to win. Slightly different scenario there.

[xBuCsX_4_XeVax]

Denver should have let Josh McDaniel to continue to coach in order to learn on the job while the Broncos fans patiently watched his teams suck (sound familiar?).

Denver fired McDaniels mostly because of the personnel decisions he made. He inherited a team with a pretty decent amount of talent on it that was favored by many to win their division and gutted it. And Singletary was fired because he also inherited a team that was also favored to win their division and underachieved with it. Raheem Morris inherited arguably the 4th best team in their division that nobody was picking to win. Slightly different scenario there.

i couldn't have said it better CBWx2

[moose40]

Denver should have let Josh McDaniel to continue to coach in order to learn on the job while the Broncos fans patiently watched his teams suck (sound familiar?).

Denver fired McDaniels mostly because of the personnel decisions he made. He inherited a team with a pretty decent amount of talent on it that was favored by many to win their division and gutted it. And Singletary was fired because he also inherited a team that was also favored to win their division and underachieved with it. Raheem Morris inherited arguably the 4th best team in their division that nobody was picking to win. Slightly different scenario there.

CBW, you post a lot of good logical topics and responses, but the 4th best team in the division? C'Mon man!!!!! The Bucs were were 9-3 heading into the final weeks, when Kiffen's "bullet from the grassy knoll" took out the team. The Panthers had no qb, so they were one dimensional, Steve Smith was at the breaking point. I would say that the Bucs were closer to 2-3 in the division, the Panthers were set for the basement dwelling team. The Falgoons were good, but we seemed to match up well with them.
Raheem inherited a playoff caliber team (two years at 9-7), and his questionable coaching and some odd personnel decisions put this team that we all root for in the basement.

[alldaway]

BB walked into a talented Cleveland defense.  What stalled the Browns at the time was the rise of the Steelers with Cowher.

2 games a year stalled the Browns continuing rebuilding...


I don't buy it.

BB also had an experienced QB in Vinny to work with too.

[Feel Real Good]

Denver should have let Josh McDaniel to continue to coach in order to learn on the job while the Broncos fans patiently watched his teams suck (sound familiar?).

Denver fired McDaniels mostly because of the personnel decisions he made. He inherited a team with a pretty decent amount of talent on it that was favored by many to win their division and gutted it. And Singletary was fired because he also inherited a team that was also favored to win their division and underachieved with it. Raheem Morris inherited arguably the 4th best team in their division that nobody was picking to win. Slightly different scenario there.

CBW, you post a lot of good logical topics and responses, but the 4th best team in the division? C'Mon man!!!!! The Bucs were were 9-3 heading into the final weeks, when Kiffen's "bullet from the grassy knoll" took out the team. The Panthers had no qb, so they were one dimensional, Steve Smith was at the breaking point. I would say that the Bucs were closer to 2-3 in the division, the Panthers were set for the basement dwelling team. The Falgoons were good, but we seemed to match up well with them.
Raheem inherited a playoff caliber team (two years at 9-7), and his questionable coaching and some odd personnel decisions put this team that we all root for in the basement.

Come on. Morris has made his mistakes, but the majority of the 2008 Bucs were out of the NFL by 2010. That team was a sinking ship.

[xBuCsX_4_XeVax]

and the panthers were thought to be on the rise with WIlliams and Stewart running the rock..they were not falling moose