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#75 : December 04, 2011, 08:42:51 PM

Grimm is a good player but he may be injury prone (like McCoy) which causes a dilemma.  Tanard isn't reliable on the field or off the field, same with Talib, so how does the team proceed?  Ronde Barber is near retirement and Faine has lost his luster, so veteran leadership will be lost, so how will it be replaced?  Bucs need to rebuild CB and LB units possibly even OL.  Full back, Running back, and Tight end need more talent as Lorig is what he is, and Blount can't do it alone.  Stocker is decent two way guy, but the Bucs need more than him at the spot. 

It is one thing if the team lacked depth, but the Bucs lack quality starters at many positions.  Team needs more impact guys on both sides of the ball.

Nailed it.


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#76 : December 04, 2011, 09:20:52 PM

I'm a Raheem supporter, but it's time for him to go. This team has the talent,

No it doesn't.


This team has the talent. You have a QB who has had a top 10 TD:INT ratio in NFL history. You have a 1000 yard rusher who is a beast. A WR who has caught 11 TDs in his rookie year. Other receivers who look very serviceable for 3rd/4th position. You have a solid oline compared to the majority of the league (interior could do with a bit of an upgrade). You have some very talented young players on d-line who have shown more than a few flashes. You have a CB who has played at a pro bowl level. You have a good cover guy as the 2nd CB. You have a ballhawk at FS. OLB and SS is a weakness, but it should not doom your whole defense. Other teams with good records have even more holes than us in some places.

The talent is more than enough. If guys like Freeman and Williams were playing their best, we would be in the hunt for the playoffs. Instead, they were allowed to be lazy and get **CENSORED**y. That's bad coaching, and now you're stuck in a hole because no one believes in the team.

Maybe Raheem can dig himself out of it, but I'd rather not risk it. Chances are he'll make more mistakes learning, and we just can't afford that.

You are dreaming, dude. Outside of Freeman (who I'm now convinced has been injured for longer than this week), and Blount, you have a bunch of young WR's, the  best of which was a 4th round pick a season ago and none of which have played in an entire NFL season except sed 4th round pick, an offensive line that has consistently been inconsistent,  a d-line with two rookies and a bunch of fill in players, nothing at LB, an aging Ronde Barber and an inconsistent Talib with nothing behind them, and a FS that has missed over a season of football due to suspensions. There are very few NFL teams with more holes than us, and the ones that do have more certainly aren't winning.

Not far off from the unvarnished truth.   Fans always see their players as "special".   If you really want to know how good your team is, just go visit someone out of the state and talk to them about what they think...excluding those cities which are direct competition.   Go to a good sports bar and ask them about our talent.    I would dare say that much of what you are saying is accurate.   But add the fact that we plan to "rebuild through the draft" and aren't active in free agency, except to sign our own players...many of which I believes he overvalues, and that describes our problem.    Unfortunately even if we bring in a new GM to evaluate the talent on this team, he in all likelyhood would like a new HC.   So there it is.

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#77 : December 04, 2011, 09:49:42 PM

I'm a Raheem supporter, but it's time for him to go. This team has the talent,

No it doesn't.


This team has the talent. You have a QB who has had a top 10 TD:INT ratio in NFL history. You have a 1000 yard rusher who is a beast. A WR who has caught 11 TDs in his rookie year. Other receivers who look very serviceable for 3rd/4th position. You have a solid oline compared to the majority of the league (interior could do with a bit of an upgrade). You have some very talented young players on d-line who have shown more than a few flashes. You have a CB who has played at a pro bowl level. You have a good cover guy as the 2nd CB. You have a ballhawk at FS. OLB and SS is a weakness, but it should not doom your whole defense. Other teams with good records have even more holes than us in some places.

The talent is more than enough. If guys like Freeman and Williams were playing their best, we would be in the hunt for the playoffs. Instead, they were allowed to be lazy and get **CENSORED**y. That's bad coaching, and now you're stuck in a hole because no one believes in the team.

Maybe Raheem can dig himself out of it, but I'd rather not risk it. Chances are he'll make more mistakes learning, and we just can't afford that.

You are dreaming, dude. Outside of Freeman (who I'm now convinced has been injured for longer than this week), and Blount, you have a bunch of young WR's, the  best of which was a 4th round pick a season ago and none of which have played in an entire NFL season except sed 4th round pick, an offensive line that has consistently been inconsistent,  a d-line with two rookies and a bunch of fill in players, nothing at LB, an aging Ronde Barber and an inconsistent Talib with nothing behind them, and a FS that has missed over a season of football due to suspensions. There are very few NFL teams with more holes than us, and the ones that do have more certainly aren't winning.

Not far off from the unvarnished truth.   Fans always see their players as "special".   If you really want to know how good your team is, just go visit someone out of the state and talk to them about what they think...excluding those cities which are direct competition.   Go to a good sports bar and ask them about our talent.    I would dare say that much of what you are saying is accurate.   But add the fact that we plan to "rebuild through the draft" and aren't active in free agency, except to sign our own players...many of which I believes he overvalues, and that describes our problem.    Unfortunately even if we bring in a new GM to evaluate the talent on this team, he in all likelyhood would like a new HC.   So there it is.

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#78 : December 05, 2011, 09:32:54 AM


He showed 10-6 last year

Agreed.


So in 2010 the team goes 10-6 and it's all credited to Morris and the easy schedule doesn't matter;

In 2011, the team is 4-8 but it's not the fault of Morris, it's the tough schedule.


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#79 : December 05, 2011, 10:01:45 AM

Gruden had tougher schedules in 2006 and 2008 while easier schedules in 2005, and 2007.  Bottom line, you need talent to win this league.

You need a combination of free agency and the draft to replenish talent on the roster.  Gru/Allen made bad choices in free agency and the draft and the same can be said of Morris/Dominik.  In that span of time, Blount, Penn, and K2  are all those two regimes can show for.

Coaching and scheme are important too (defense shouldn't be this horrible) but talent is why this team still struggles today.  It was a rollercoaster ride with Gruden and it still is with Morris, so the HC that comes in will have the same problem without elite talent on this team. 

Ask any Bucs fan watching that playoff game against the Giants that had the sinking feeling that the Bucs didn't have the horses to compete, and that still rings true today.

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#80 : December 05, 2011, 10:13:28 AM

Gruden had tougher schedules in 2006 and 2008 while easier schedules in 2005, and 2007.  Bottom line, you need talent to win this league.

Dude, Gruden and his schedules don't matter. Morris should be judged 100% on what Morris has done, not compare to Gruden.

This team is not 100% devoid of talent. If it is, as you and others continue to say, then Morris deserves a heaping of the blame for it (along with Dom).

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#81 : December 05, 2011, 10:52:20 AM

Gruden had tougher schedules in 2006 and 2008 while easier schedules in 2005, and 2007.  Bottom line, you need talent to win this league.

Dude, Gruden and his schedules don't matter. Morris should be judged 100% on what Morris has done, not compare to Gruden.

This team is not 100% devoid of talent. If it is, as you and others continue to say, then Morris deserves a heaping of the blame for it (along with Dom).

That is my point.  Re-read my post above.

Two regimes have failed to bring in elite talent through the draft and free agency.  Unfortunately, because of the Glazers, two regimes have been unable to fully utilize free agency but the portion they can control (the draft) they haven't done a good job.

K2, Penn, and Blount..... two regimes spanning from 2004 to 2011 have to show.  Three top fifteen players over that span of time isn't good.


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#82 : December 05, 2011, 10:59:36 AM

K2 = Acquired through a trade
Penn & Blount = Were not drafted by the Bucs

The Bucs haven't drafted an elite, or top fifteen player in over a decade.  Worse, the closest top fifteen player the Bucs did sign was Faine.

Failure through the draft to acquire elite talent falls on two regimes.

Failure to obtain elite talent through free agency falls on the Glazers not opening up the purse strings.

It is clear it is an organizational failure when the team is devoid of talent top to bottom.


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#83 : December 07, 2011, 12:59:51 AM

bump. im in a mood..

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