Lockout was a good thing

[JavaRay]

Seems like the lockout helped this team. The team went 4-2 to start and  as they got "coached up" they got worse. 

Agreed.   They would likely be 0-14 right now without the lockout.

[Feel Real Good]

a lot of the popular excuses just don't hold water.  what you point out above as well as the standard "we have nothing but 1st and 2nd year players".  As FRG likes to point out, it's not the young guys who are the problem.

Ronde Barber, Sean Jones, Tanard Jackson, Quincy Black, Aqib Talib, Geno Hayes, Jeremy Trueblood, Davin Joseph, Jeff Faine, Jeremy Zuttah, Donald Penn, and Kellen Winslow are so young they barely know what they're doing!

[BucBalla85]

Packers are young.....kicking butt.

Niners are young, new coach.......kicking butt.

Packers are young and they also have veterans at key positions... McCarthy has been the HC longer than Rah and already has his team eating, breathing and sleeping his system... Rah doesn't yet...

Niners also have veterans at key positions and have a QB who is just now starting to shine after how many years? 6 almost 7... Harbaugh isn't new to HC'ing either, he was the head coach at Stanford University for four seasons and the University of San Diego for three seasons...

No excuses, just facts...

I agree with you. The reason people dispute it is because losing stinks and its easy to point fingers.

[Cerious]

a lot of the popular excuses just don't hold water.  what you point out above as well as the standard "we have nothing but 1st and 2nd year players".  As FRG likes to point out, it's not the young guys who are the problem.

Ronde Barber, Sean Jones, Tanard Jackson, Quincy Black, Aqib Talib, Geno Hayes, Jeremy Trueblood, Davin Joseph, Jeff Faine, Jeremy Zuttah, Donald Penn, and Kellen Winslow are so young they barely know what they're doing!

Ronde, Penn and Davin are the only ones who've actually played like veterans* this season, smh.

*Edit: ...quality veterans...

[alldaway]

Unfortunately the Bucs need to clean house with these "veterans" and bring in a new group of vets.  Ones that are hungry and can bring outside ideas into the fold.

[Cerious]

Unfortunately the Bucs need to clean house with these "veterans" and bring in a new group of vets.  Ones that are hungry and can bring outside ideas into the fold.

I'd be happy to just get veterans who can play well for an entire season. The outside ideas could be a negative or a positive depending on the mindset.

[Benchwarmer#1]

It's just a lot easier to say they're cluster**CENSORED**ed.

1. Very young team.
2. Young/less experienced HC/DC.
3. Olson's version of the Gruden offense, without Gruden.
3. Bad pass protection.
4. DT's always on IR.
5. Lowest payroll.
6. Inactive FA.
7. Talib's & TJax troubles and bad CB's.
8. Little offseason preparation.
9. Lack of discipline.
10. Lack of veterans.

These are all good reasons for the suckage we're seeing. Maybe not an excuse, but facts presented that need to be overcome. I personally think that the dynasty types gained an advantage, while average and sub-par teams it really didn't matter so much and was probably even across all playing fields relatively speaking. In other words, the "growing" teams hurt only slightly, but a team like the Pats it would've had little to no effect on. Being (as always) there are more growing teams than there are complete teams, probably 7-10 indirectly gained a very slight advantage.

In the Bucs case however, it's very hard to ignore all these other problems and put this one ahead of them. The lack of offseason workouts is pretty much the multicolor unicorn of this nightmare. It really is the weakest argument out there right now IMO.

[Bschucher]

I think the point of my thread was completely missed by many... oh well.

[Ladyfan]

Want to see the value of confidence?  Look no further than Tebow.  His will to win is infectious because its sincere and at such a fierce level it inspires the whole team.  The man is an ancient warrior going against the foe with few resources but who wins and even the foe knows hes going to win most of the time.....we don't have that attitude working for us.

Also, lthat kind of attitude gets guys to looking for ways big and small to improve and pull together more as a team.

[Havok904]

Want to see the value of confidence?  Look no further than Tebow.  His will to win is infectious because its sincere and at such a fierce level it inspires the whole team.  The man is an ancient warrior going against the foe with few resources but who wins and even the foe knows hes going to win most of the time.....we don't have that attitude working for us.

Also, lthat kind of attitude gets guys to looking for ways big and small to improve and pull together more as a team.

yes...the Broncos are winning despite Tebow's suckage...

A good defense is  a great thing......

[Benchwarmer#1]

Want to see the value of confidence?  Look no further than Tebow.  His will to win is infectious because its sincere and at such a fierce level it inspires the whole team.  The man is an ancient warrior going against the foe with few resources but who wins and even the foe knows hes going to win most of the time.....we don't have that attitude working for us.

Also, lthat kind of attitude gets guys to looking for ways big and small to improve and pull together more as a team.

yes...the Broncos are winning despite Tebow's suckage...

A good defense is  a great thing......

...It sure made Brad J look better than he really was.