Gruden preparing to return to coaching in 2012........ESPN is aware.

[JavaRay]

In the entire history of the NFL, only 7 coaches have won a superbowl for teams that have won the superbowl only once.


Weeb Ewbanks
Hank Stram
Mike Ditka
**CENSORED** Vermeil
Jon Gruden
Tony Dungy
Sean Payton

That statement doesn't even make sense. In '72 Dallas had only won 1 SB, In 73 the Phins had only won 1 SB, In 75 Pitt had only won 1 SB. Are you saying these guys are better because Landry, Noll, and Shula won too many Superbowls??

I agree with you on Shula.   He's probably the best head coach of all time    Landry and Noll were great, but the Cowboys and Steelers have won multiple superbowls with other coaches as well.   That indicates strong ownership.   I don't think there's a completely level playing field in the NFL.   The coaches who won championships with teams that never win championships are achieving more if you ask me.

[John Galt?]

In the entire history of the NFL, only 7 coaches have won a superbowl for teams that have won the superbowl only once.


Weeb Ewbanks
Hank Stram
Mike Ditka
**CENSORED** Vermeil
Jon Gruden
Tony Dungy
Sean Payton

That statement doesn't even make sense. In '72 Dallas had only won 1 SB, In 73 the Phins had only won 1 SB, In 75 Pitt had only won 1 SB. Are you saying these guys are better because Landry, Noll, and Shula won too many Superbowls??

I agree with you on Shula.   He's probably the best head coach of all time    Landry and Noll were great, but the Cowboys and Steelers have won multiple superbowls with other coaches as well.   That indicates strong ownership.   I don't think there's a completely level playing field in the NFL.   The coaches who won championships with teams that never win championships are achieving more if you ask me.

The Cowboys changed owners between SBs. And New Orleans changed owners before hiring Peyton. And if we are talking bad owners, Al Davis managed 3 rings from 2 different HCs. And I don't think there is a worse owner than alive than Ralph Wilson so does Levy get credit for getting the Bills to 4 straight even if he didn't win (thanks to a bad kicker)?

[JavaRay]

And I don't think there is a worse owner than alive than Ralph Wilson so does Levy get credit for getting the Bills to 4 straight even if he didn't win (thanks to a bad kicker)?

Good point.   It's not Levy's fault that Thurman lost his helmet.   It's a crime that those Bills teams didn't win at least 1 superbowl.   That loss to the Giants was sickening.   That Giant team was far inferior.

[YReceiver14]

And I don't think there is a worse owner than alive than Ralph Wilson so does Levy get credit for getting the Bills to 4 straight even if he didn't win (thanks to a bad kicker)?

Good point.   It's not Levy's fault that Thurman lost his helmet.   It's a crime that those Bills teams didn't win at least 1 superbowl.   That loss to the Giants was sickening.   That Giant team was far inferior.

I love re-reading about Bill freakin' Belichick's gameplan for that game.  The man's got guts.

[JavaRay]

That's the one Superbowl where I can honestly say that without a doubt the better team lost.   And they wouldn't have lost if not for that missed field goal.    What a dull game with OJ Anderson running all day.   Brutal to watch.

[jerseybucsfan]

I'll take Billick.

[dalbuc]

That's the one Superbowl where I can honestly say that without a doubt the better team lost.   And they wouldn't have lost if not for that missed field goal.    What a dull game with OJ Anderson running all day.   Brutal to watch.

You really can't say that. The Bills didn't score more than the Giants, they didn't outgain them -- and that was vs the Giants backup QB. If they played a dozen times I don't think the Bills win more than they lose to that Giants team.

[JavaRay]

That's the one Superbowl where I can honestly say that without a doubt the better team lost.   And they wouldn't have lost if not for that missed field goal.    What a dull game with OJ Anderson running all day.   Brutal to watch.

You really can't say that. The Bills didn't score more than the Giants, they didn't outgain them -- and that was vs the Giants backup QB. If they played a dozen times I don't think the Bills win more than they lose to that Giants team.

Fluke game, much like the Bucs 2010 season.    I'll admit that with a healthy Phil Simms and Rodney Hampton, that Giants team was about equal to the Bills.   But not with Hostetler and OJ Anderson.

[Hate]

Bills win 7 outta 10

[The Anti-Java]

Bills win 7 outta 10

Agree with that.

[ryan24]

And I don't think there is a worse owner than alive than Ralph Wilson so does Levy get credit for getting the Bills to 4 straight even if he didn't win (thanks to a bad kicker)?

Good point.   It's not Levy's fault that Thurman lost his helmet.   It's a crime that those Bills teams didn't win at least 1 superbowl.   That loss to the Giants was sickening.   That Giant team was far inferior.

.....and far better coached

[moose40]

So do you want Dungy or Billick in there?   I really don't care.   But one of them belongs.

If it's "super bowl" winnings, both belong, since both coaches won with teams that had won NFL championships prior to the merger and calling it Super Bowl.