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: December 29, 2011, 11:33:42 AM

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Offended By This Defense
Thursday, December 29, 2011
By: Justin Pawlowski


The word "defense" has been synonymous with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers since the mid 90's when Tony Dungy and Monte Kiffin instituted their version of the "cover 2" which would be later referred to as the "Tampa 2." In a copycat league, the Buccaneers style of defense from then was copied by many, and while some fans believe the "Tampa 2" still resonates with the Buccaneers, they couldn't be further from the truth.

Raheem Morris has created his "Tampa 2.0" which incorporates more man coverage, but has also led to much more inflated statistics.

When Monte Kiffin announced his intentions to join his son, Lane, in Tennessee, it was understood that Raheem Morris would be the next defensive coordinator of the Buccaneers.  It was at that point in 2008 where the Bucs defense collapsed to allow 123 points (30.75/game) and 756 rushing yards (189 yds/game) in the final 4 games of that season.  The Buccaneers would lose all 4 games, barely miss the playoffs, and end the tenure of Jon Gruden in Tampa Bay.
Fast-forward to the present day with Raheem Morris now head coach, and those numbers look even worse with the Bucs in the midst of a 9 game losing streak.

"It's a scheme that gives up a lot of yards and a lot of points," a player told me when I asked him to describe the defense the Buccaneers run.

He's right.

Over the last 9 games, the Buccaneers have given up 304 points (33.8/game), 3540 total yards (393/game), and 1559 rushing yards (173/game). These numbers are historically bad.  They are so bad, that the Buccaneers are just 25 points away from giving up the most points in a season in team history surpassing Leeman Bennett's 1986 team which game up 473 points for the season.

"It's a type of hybrid defense," another player told me when asked to describe the defense Raheem Morris is running.
I told him that the word "hybrid" is normally used in a positive way, and the player chuckled and said, "I guess we can't use it then."

With a team full of young players, it should be a major priority to make sure that each player not only understands their role, but what the defense as a whole actually is.

"No," player said when I asked if the defense was playing as a collective unit. "I don't think some players ever fully bought into the scheme."

Not buying in might lend some credence as to why the players are not giving full effort to try and save their head coaches job.

"We all like Raheem Morris because he's a nice guy, but it is very apparent that we are not playing for him."
The players are bracing for an off-season that could bring much change, possible excitement, and also much uncertainty.

"The players in the locker room just want to win, no matter what it takes," the first player told me when I asked if he thought there would be a change at head coach.

I am of the belief that if a change indeed occurs, the Bucs might be ready to participate in the "copycat league" and adopt the popular 3-4 defense as its own.  I wasn't alone in my assumption.

"I think we have all the pieces in place for a 3-4 defense," the player said. "McCoy and Clayborn can play end, Price at nose, Bowers and Bennett outside, with Foster and Quincy inside."

The top defenses in the NFL like the 49ers, Ravens, Steelers, and Jets all run the 3-4 defense to perfection.
For those who think a transition to a 3-4 defense is too difficult to endure, the Texans would beg to differ. The Texans went from the 30th ranked defense and one of the worst pass defenses in NFL history a year ago to one of the top and most feared defenses in the NFL this year.

The Buccaneers would also have some high draft picks along with millions of dollars that will have to be spent before next off-season concludes to reach the new salary floor per the rules of the new CBA.
"You'd wonder that if we truly wanted to be a great defense we'd try running a scheme that has had as much success as that one (3-4) has."

He's right, but to do that, change will need to happen.
: December 29, 2011, 01:50:32 PM MJay9000

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#1 : December 29, 2011, 12:05:22 PM

Price isn't big enough to play nose in a 3-4. You need to be 350+. Okam maybe.

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#2 : December 29, 2011, 01:26:05 PM

Price isn't big enough to play nose in a 3-4. You need to be 350+. Okam maybe.

Not altogether true.  One of the best is under 290lbs.



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#3 : December 29, 2011, 01:27:46 PM

Amazing article. If these quotes are legit, and I have no reason to think they are not, this explains a lot as to why many of these D players
appear to have quit on Morris.

BucD, you should change the subject so more people read this...

Something like, "Bucs Players Speak Out Off the Record."

Wait, are these quotes from current Bucs players or other NFL players?
: December 29, 2011, 01:30:04 PM ufojoe

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#4 : December 29, 2011, 01:32:26 PM

Price isn't big enough to play nose in a 3-4. You need to be 350+. Okam maybe.
It's something an exaggeration to say that a 3-4 NT *has* to be 350+.  There are definitely successful ones out there who weigh less than that.  (Shaun Cody's managing it is a fairly obvious example.)  Plus, I have to say that I'm *really* skeptical of the 303 that he's listed at.  But even assuming a 1-gap 3-4 defense, it seems like the strengths of Price's game wouldn't be a great fit for the position.  Even if the team made the switch and tried to fit him him there, it seems like they'd want to add another guy to groom for the position.

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#5 : December 29, 2011, 01:35:58 PM


Yes, these are all quotes from Buccaneer players. From Justin's intro. on Facebook...

Some Buccaneer players opened up to me privately about the Bucs defense, playing (or lack there of) for Raheem Morris, and the future of the Bucs.

BucD, change the subject. This is a MUST READ for all Bucs fans.

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#6 : December 29, 2011, 01:39:27 PM


This is a blockbuster article. Justin P. is on WDAE today, filling on for Duemig. That's a must listen to show for all of us.

Thanks again, BucD. And the subject change will make this the hottest topic for a few days. It deserves it.

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#7 : December 29, 2011, 01:40:40 PM


This is a blockbuster article. Justin P. is on WDAE today, filling on for Duemig. That's a must listen to show for all of us.

Thanks again, BucD. And the subject change will make this the hottest topic for a few days. It deserves it.

Yup.  NP.

What time is he on??

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#8 : December 29, 2011, 01:41:39 PM

3p-7pm EST, I believe.

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#9 : December 29, 2011, 01:47:52 PM

was the players saying this when they were 4-2?

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#10 : December 29, 2011, 01:50:09 PM

Interesting.

I find the 3-4 topic interesting.  Maybe going to that would be a good thing for Quincy and he could finally contribute.  With all the draft picks and tons of cap room I could see a transition being no problem.  We just need a good 3-4 HC or DC.


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#11 : December 29, 2011, 01:57:33 PM

i think both Black and Foster would be better in a 3-4


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#12 : December 29, 2011, 01:58:07 PM

was the players saying this when they were 4-2?

Don't know if they was or not.

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#13 : December 29, 2011, 01:58:26 PM

I wonder if these guys were saying it last year though.

These players say they want to win no matter what it takes but never buy into the system that some of these guys would "go to war" with Raheem? Seems fishy.

I am not defending Raheem and he deserved to be fired the day he was hired, but this is just a classic case of "we suck so lets blame the scheme" tactic. Lets the fans take an easier/less harsh approach towards the players and more directed at the coaching staff.


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#14 : December 29, 2011, 01:59:06 PM

i think both Black and Foster would be better in a 3-4



I am warming up to the idea.  Is not Cowher a big 3-4 guy?


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