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#15 : January 09, 2012, 04:33:08 PM

Here is the Bucs illustrious history of drafting running backs (year, round, selection in round, selection overall).

How many gems outside of the first 2 rounds have turned up?? NONE. Well, maybe Eckwood in Round 3. Trust me - the Arian Fosters of the world are not as common as you think.

 2011 6 22 187 Allen Bradford USC
  2008 7 31 238 Cory Boyd South Carolina
  2007 7 36 246 Kenneth Darby Alabama
  2005 1 5 5 Cadillac Williams Auburn
  2005 7 7 221 Rick Razzano Mississippi
  2004 7 27 228 Casey Cramer Dartmouth
  2002 4 21 119 Travis Stephens Tennessee
  2001 6 11 174 Jameel Cook Illinois
  1999 6 26 195 Lamarr Glenn Florida State
  1999 7 27 233 Autry Denson Notre Dame
  1997 1 12 12 Warrick Dunn Florida State
  1996 2 5 35 Mike Alstott Purdue
  1994 2 5 34 Errict Rhett Florida
  1993 4 7 91 Rudy Harris Clemson
  1992 8 4 200 Anthony McDowell Texas Tech
  1992 11 4 284 Mazio Royster USC
  1991 3 25 80 Robert Wilson Texas A&M
  1991 10 15 265 Hyland Hickson Michigan State
  1990 2 5 30 Reggie Cobb Tennessee
  1990 6 4 141 Derrick Douglas Louisiana Tech
  1989 5 5 117 Jamie Lawson Nicholls State
  1989 9 7 230 Patrick Egu Nevada
  1988 2 26 53 Lars Tate Georgia
  1988 5 4 113 William Howard Tennessee
  1988 7 2 167 Kerry Goode Alabama
  1988 8 5 198 Anthony Simpson East Carolina
  1987 2 23 51 Don Smith Mississippi State
  1987 6 3 143 Steve Bartalo Colorado State
  1987 9 1 224 Joe Armentrout Wisconsin
  1987 11 1 280 Reggie Taylor Cincinnati
  1986 1 1 1 Bo Jackson Auburn
  1985 11 8 288 Punkin Williams Memphis State
  1984u 2 2 30 Kevin Nelson UCLA
  1984 4 23 107 Michael Gunter Tulsa
  1983 7 17 185 Weldon Ledbetter Oklahoma
  1982 4 20 103 Dave Barrett Houston
  1982 12 19 325 Michael Morton UNLV
  1981 2 6 34 James Wilder Missouri
  1980 10 26 275 Brett Davis UNLV
  1979 3 4 60 Jerry Eckwood Arkansas
  1979 3 24 80 Rick Berns Nebraska
  1978 2 2 30 Johnny Davis Alabama
  1978 12 2 308 Kevin McLee Georgia
  1977 1 1 1 Ricky Bell USC
  1977 10 1 252 Robert Morgan Florida
  1976 2 2 30 Jimmy Dubose Florida
  1976 12 2 321 George Ragsdale North Carolina A&T


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#16 : January 09, 2012, 04:33:51 PM

Should the BUCs pass on a franchise running back almost in the A Peterson class?    HELL NO!!  A quarterbacks biggest asset is a franchise running back.
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Or a solid O-line.


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#17 : January 09, 2012, 04:35:03 PM

It's a different league now. In 1990, one QB threw for more than 4,000 yards. The #10 QB threw for 3,031 yards. In 2011, ten QB's threw for 4,000 yards. Let's not try and win the 1990 Super Bowl in 2012.

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#18 : January 09, 2012, 04:36:54 PM

You don't pass on a guy like Adrian Peterson just because some scrub undrafted free agents have big stats behind solid offensive lines.   And you don't pass on Richardson either.

I agree 100% with you, but Arian Foster is NO scrub. Living in Houston, I too at one time felt he was overrated because of the "scheme" at one time until I saw him in person against the steelers this yr. His moves, balance and vision is just special, youre either born with it or your not. Washington and Green bay both run the zone-blocking scheme and none of either of those teams backs or Houston's backups *cough* Derrick ward look anything like Foster. That man is the real deal! "Poetry in Motion" is what they call him around here.

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#19 : January 09, 2012, 04:38:55 PM

I like Richardson but I just feel like we have much bigger issues on OL and D. I am almost inclined to just say grab Reiff and that way we get a decent OL prospect while not investing into areas that we already have invested a lot in.

Of course my dream scenario would be for Kalil or Claiborne to make it to #5.


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#20 : January 09, 2012, 04:40:43 PM

I like Richardson but I just feel like we have much bigger issues on OL and D. I am almost inclined to just say grab Reiff and that way we get a decent OL prospect while not investing into areas that we already have invested a lot in.

Of course my dream scenario would be for Kalil or Claiborne to make it to #5.


If those two are not there, trade down for Reiff  IMO.  Pick up a 4th or whatever.


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#21 : January 09, 2012, 04:43:01 PM

Ive been saying all along for everybody calling this guy the next Adrian Peterson.(not fast enough and not as powerful to be AP) What have the vikings won since drafting AP???? 1 playoff game and that was due to Brett Farve having the luckiest season of his career.

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#22 : January 09, 2012, 04:43:10 PM

You don't pass on a guy like Adrian Peterson just because some scrub undrafted free agents have big stats behind solid offensive lines.   And you don't pass on Richardson either.

I agree 100% with you, but Arian Foster is NO scrub. Living in Houston, I too at one time felt he was overrated because of the "scheme" at one time until I saw him in person against the steelers this yr. His moves, balance and vision is just special, youre either born with it or your not. Washington and Green bay both run the zone-blocking scheme and none of either of those teams backs or Houston's backups *cough* Derrick ward look anything like Foster. That man is the real deal! "Poetry in Motion" is what they call him around here.
I think it's a little of the the both, overall that Texans O-line is solid and Duane Brown is underrated,but you're right Foster is no scrub.


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#23 : January 09, 2012, 04:44:40 PM

I feel dumb for having to say this but I think we all agree we need to upgrade Lumpkin.  Taking Richardson or not please do something about our depth at RB!  My luck Lumpkin will beat Blount out next preseason and we will do nothing.

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#24 : January 09, 2012, 04:44:53 PM

It's a different league now. In 1990, one QB threw for more than 4,000 yards. The #10 QB threw for 3,031 yards. In 2011, ten QB's threw for 4,000 yards. Let's not try and win the 1990 Super Bowl in 2012.

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#25 : January 09, 2012, 04:44:59 PM

Can you get lucky and find quality backs in later rounds, yes you can. The same can be said for other positions as well.

But if there is a potential star running back available - you dont justify not selecting him because other teams have gotten lucky finding backs in later rounds. That is idiocy.
Well, you certainly CAN find quality players at any position later in the draft, but it's easier for some positions than others.  I mean, do the same exercise that the original article did for RBs for QBs.  Of the top six passers in the regular season, you have two first round picks, a second that would be a first in today's NFL (because there are 32 teams in the league now), a third, a sixth and an undrafted.  If you went with the top 10, you'd add four more first round picks.  That's a pretty stong bias towards the first round. 

For the five leading passers from this weekend of football, you have two first round picks, a second that would be a first in today's NFL, and a fifth.  Adding the rest of the quarterbacks would give you two more first round picks and another second. 

Now, granted, we don't need anther passer (this year, at least), but there clearly are some positions that are easier to find value later in the draft than others.  And let's not pretend like the team would be not selecting a potential star running back for someone they think is going to be a scrub.  Presumably, if they draft Claiborne there (for example), it will be because the legitimately believe that he's going to be a star CB.  That's actually a somewhat separate argument though, as I'm not at all certain where cornerbacks actually fall on the draft round-positional value spectrum.

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#26 : January 09, 2012, 04:45:59 PM

Ive been saying all along for everybody calling this guy the next Adrian Peterson.(not fast enough and not as powerful to be AP) What have the vikings won since drafting AP???? 1 playoff game and that was due to Brett Farve having the luckiest season of his career.
I was looking at RBs selected in the top 5 since 2000, I think Jamal lewis is the only to win Super Bowl.

Never mind  Bush won one too.
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#27 : January 09, 2012, 04:48:02 PM

You don't pass on a guy like Adrian Peterson just because some scrub undrafted free agents have big stats behind solid offensive lines.   And you don't pass on Richardson either.

I agree 100% with you, but Arian Foster is NO scrub. Living in Houston, I too at one time felt he was overrated because of the "scheme" at one time until I saw him in person against the steelers this yr. His moves, balance and vision is just special, youre either born with it or your not. Washington and Green bay both run the zone-blocking scheme and none of either of those teams backs or Houston's backups *cough* Derrick ward look anything like Foster. That man is the real deal! "Poetry in Motion" is what they call him around here.

Here in Houston the radio shows would jock him and I too thought he was over rated. After watching this year and the playoff game I take it all back.  There is a huge difference between what he does and Tate.

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#28 : January 09, 2012, 04:49:35 PM

Trent Richardson is Carnell part 2.


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#29 : January 09, 2012, 04:49:51 PM

It's a different league now. In 1990, one QB threw for more than 4,000 yards. The #10 QB threw for 3,031 yards. In 2011, ten QB's threw for 4,000 yards. Let's not try and win the 1990 Super Bowl in 2012.

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